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Its funny because the term originally was used to refer to any ignorant person regardless of their race. So we now have, today, people ignorantly calling each other ignorants, ignorant of the term that they are using.


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They're reclaiming a slur. It was a slur used to hurt and dehumanize (and still can be used this way), now it's an indicator of familiarity.
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Its funny because the term originally was used to refer to any ignorant person regardless of their race. So we now have, today, people ignorantly calling each other ignorants, ignorant of the term that they are using.


I believe you're thinking of the word niggardly. If I remember correctly the real n word (nigger) is inspired by nigrum, the Latin word for black. The two do not have anything in common beyond phonetic and spelling similarities.
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Its funny because the term originally was used to refer to any ignorant person regardless of their race. So we now have, today, people ignorantly calling each other ignorants, ignorant of the term that they are using.


I believe you're thinking of the word niggardly. If I remember correctly the real n word (nigger) is inspired by nigrum, the Latin word for black. The two do not have anything in common beyond phonetic and spelling similarities.

I will admit that I am unfamiliar with the word niggardly. Multiple sources that I just referenced point towards the word meaning something closer to an adjective towards misers.

No. While the word, nigger, ha been used as a hateful epithet towards those with dark skin, the original meaning has just been eschewed so that it can be used as a pejorative.

It is possible that the word was something else before it was directed towards black people. But I believe I have read somewhere that the word as we know it, today, became nigger which was derived from the latin words you listed(paraphrased). Given the original colloquial usage of the word, I believe that it was used to make fun of blacks for being ignorant, despite the fact that they were deliberately kept uneducated by their owners.
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:

Its funny because the term originally was used to refer to any ignorant person regardless of their race. So we now have, today, people ignorantly calling each other ignorants, ignorant of the term that they are using.


I believe you're thinking of the word niggardly. If I remember correctly the real n word (nigger) is inspired by nigrum, the Latin word for black. The two do not have anything in common beyond phonetic and spelling similarities.

I will admit that I am unfamiliar with the word niggardly. Multiple sources that I just referenced point towards the word meaning something closer to an adjective towards misers.

No. While the word, nigger, ha been used as a hateful epithet towards those with dark skin, the original meaning has just been eschewed so that it can be used as a pejorative.

It is possible that the word was something else before it was directed towards black people. But I believe I have read somewhere that the word as we know it, today, became nigger which was derived from the latin words you listed(paraphrased). Given the original colloquial usage of the word, I believe that it was used to make fun of blacks for being ignorant, despite the fact that they were deliberately kept uneducated by their owners.


No. Between the fact that it closely resembles a word that means black in a language that english is derived from and the fact that a commonly used alternative for the word was negro (also means black, but in spanish this time) it seems pretty clear to me that the word was chosen to be associated with them because of their skin colour. Any allusions to stupidity would have been connotated with the term later.
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:

Its funny because the term originally was used to refer to any ignorant person regardless of their race. So we now have, today, people ignorantly calling each other ignorants, ignorant of the term that they are using.


I believe you're thinking of the word niggardly. If I remember correctly the real n word (nigger) is inspired by nigrum, the Latin word for black. The two do not have anything in common beyond phonetic and spelling similarities.

I will admit that I am unfamiliar with the word niggardly. Multiple sources that I just referenced point towards the word meaning something closer to an adjective towards misers.

No. While the word, nigger, ha been used as a hateful epithet towards those with dark skin, the original meaning has just been eschewed so that it can be used as a pejorative.

It is possible that the word was something else before it was directed towards black people. But I believe I have read somewhere that the word as we know it, today, became nigger which was derived from the latin words you listed(paraphrased). Given the original colloquial usage of the word, I believe that it was used to make fun of blacks for being ignorant, despite the fact that they were deliberately kept uneducated by their owners.


No. Between the fact that it closely resembles a word that means black in a language that english is derived from and the fact that a commonly used alternative for the word was negro (also means black, but in spanish this time) it seems pretty clear to me that the word was chosen to be associated with them because of their skin colour. Any allusions to stupidity would have been connotated with the term later.

Generalizing a word's meaning by looking at where it is derived from does not make it so.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/nigger
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It's funny, my lil brother dose not like some of the black rap mucic that i listen to becasue some of them say it like 200 times in one song. So he listens to alot of white rap lol. (we are white btw)
It is kind of funny though, like when us whities go to a rap concert we say it alot, rapping along to the songs.

But yeah as said, it's almost become a word like calling someone dude, or mate or homie i guess. (nigga not er).
Amoungst blacks i guess.

But here in Australia the Aboriginal people dont seem to say it. Its funny because they will say "brother" like American blacks and they also often say cuz, but not like the crips in America, they say it because they hang out with their cousins alot lol and i think they call everyone cuz, not just their cousins.
I guess the Poms(the English) must not have called them the N word? But there are some racist words for Aboriginies and they dont call each other that.

Dose not seem like the African immigrants that live here call each other that either. But maybe i just dont see it?
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No. Between the fact that it closely resembles a word that means black in a language that english is derived from and the fact that a commonly used alternative for the word was negro (also means black, but in spanish this time) it seems pretty clear to me that the word was chosen to be associated with them because of their skin colour. Any allusions to stupidity would have been connotated with the term later.

Generalizing a word's meaning by looking at where it is derived from does not make it so.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/nigger


That link you posted states that the term is used towards black people, it shows no supporting evidence of your claim that the word nigger was once used to designate non-black people as far as I could find.

And actually yeah, you can find a word's meaning (or it's original meaning anyway) by looking at where it is derived from. I don't know why the hell you don't think that a word clearly derived from a word that meant black had nothing to do with anything black.
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octorockandroll wrote:


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No. Between the fact that it closely resembles a word that means black in a language that english is derived from and the fact that a commonly used alternative for the word was negro (also means black, but in spanish this time) it seems pretty clear to me that the word was chosen to be associated with them because of their skin colour. Any allusions to stupidity would have been connotated with the term later.

Generalizing a word's meaning by looking at where it is derived from does not make it so.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/nigger


That link you posted states that the term is used towards black people, it shows no supporting evidence of your claim that the word nigger was once used to designate non-black people as far as I could find.

And actually yeah, you can find a word's meaning (or it's original meaning anyway) by looking at where it is derived from. I don't know why the hell you don't think that a word clearly derived from a word that meant black had nothing to do with anything black.

Yes, well since your confirmation bias glasses only informed you of what you already knew I'll just repost this.


XxDarkSasuxX wrote:

It is possible that the word was something else before it was directed towards black people. But I believe I have read somewhere that the word as we know it, today, [which] became nigger [and] was derived from the latin words you listed(paraphrased). Given the original colloquial usage of the word, I believe that it was used to make fun of blacks for being ignorant, despite the fact that they were deliberately kept uneducated by their owners.


And no, not every word holds true to where it has been derived from. Or else we wouldn't have this little thing called
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Hold on...I'm getting Deja Vu... Coulda sworn I answered this some time ago.

Anywho...

Like most expletives, it largely depends on the person you're with.


I have an African-American friend, we've probably the n-word in its many forms without derogatory more times than we could recall. It's practically a term of endearment at this point. Spoiler alert, I'm a pale as snow half-Hispanic.

But then again, I didn't actually use the word just now because its derogatory online is preeeetty much still evident unless you're using this meme, or otherwise it has a veeeeeeery direct role in what you're talking about.


So will I say it aloud in the presence of strangers, hello-no. To my good friends who say it in their regular vocabulary? I'll return it with every ounce of endearment they give.
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:
It is possible that the word was something else before it was directed towards black people. But I believe I have read somewhere that the word as we know it, today, became nigger which was derived from the latin words you listed(paraphrased). Given the original colloquial usage of the word, I believe that it was used to make fun of blacks for being ignorant, despite the fact that they were deliberately kept uneducated by their owners.


The etymology of the word is a straight line from latin for black ( niger, nigra, nigrum. Niger being the male usage. ) to European variants in different languages. To its arrival via Europe in America. It didn't have an original colloquial usage beyond "black". And slowly became a pejorative term. They basically settled on it in the south because it sounded worse than "coloured" did:

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84025811/1904-10-14/ed-1/seq-5/

However, you actually are correct in that the usage of term did have other meanings you just have the chronology the wrong way around. It did become an insult ( against those of lower status / education ) for a time against anyone of any race in the early to mid 1900s but that was after it became a racial slur. So extending it to an insult was a result of it being a slur. Not the other way around.


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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:
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No. Between the fact that it closely resembles a word that means black in a language that english is derived from and the fact that a commonly used alternative for the word was negro (also means black, but in spanish this time) it seems pretty clear to me that the word was chosen to be associated with them because of their skin colour. Any allusions to stupidity would have been connotated with the term later.

Generalizing a word's meaning by looking at where it is derived from does not make it so.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/nigger


That link you posted states that the term is used towards black people, it shows no supporting evidence of your claim that the word nigger was once used to designate non-black people as far as I could find.

And actually yeah, you can find a word's meaning (or it's original meaning anyway) by looking at where it is derived from. I don't know why the hell you don't think that a word clearly derived from a word that meant black had nothing to do with anything black.

Yes, well since your confirmation bias glasses only informed you of what you already knew I'll just repost this.


XxDarkSasuxX wrote:

It is possible that the word was something else before it was directed towards black people. But I believe I have read somewhere that the word as we know it, today, [which] became nigger [and] was derived from the latin words you listed(paraphrased). Given the original colloquial usage of the word, I believe that it was used to make fun of blacks for being ignorant, despite the fact that they were deliberately kept uneducated by their owners.


And no, not every word holds true to where it has been derived from. Or else we wouldn't have this little thing called


I am well aware that not every word holds true to where it was derived from, that is why I specified that the origin of the word could be used to identify the ORIGINAL meaning of the word. I even said that connotations with stupidity would have been added after the word was made.
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My top answers:

1. Because the black man likes to keep the black man down.
2. Secret brainwashing from Republicans to lower the self-esteem of minorities.
3. Some people like bringing up the past.
4. It's a trap to get white people to say it.
5. They are actually referring to the country of Niger and hoping to raise global awareness of the endemic economic and political problems of the landlocked African country.
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:
It is possible that the word was something else before it was directed towards black people. But I believe I have read somewhere that the word as we know it, today, became nigger which was derived from the latin words you listed(paraphrased). Given the original colloquial usage of the word, I believe that it was used to make fun of blacks for being ignorant, despite the fact that they were deliberately kept uneducated by their owners.


The etymology of the word is a straight line from latin for black ( niger, nigra, nigrum. Niger being the male usage. ) to European variants in different languages. To its arrival via Europe in America. It didn't have an original colloquial usage beyond "black". And slowly became a pejorative term. They basically settled on it in the south because it sounded worse than "coloured" did:

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84025811/1904-10-14/ed-1/seq-5/

However, you actually are correct in that the usage of term did have other meanings you just have the chronology the wrong way around. It did become an insult ( against those of lower status / education ) for a time against anyone of any race in the early to mid 1900s but that was after it became a racial slur. So extending it to an insult was a result of it being a slur. Not the other way around.







octorockandroll wrote:


XxDarkSasuxX wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:



octorockandroll wrote:


XxDarkSasuxX wrote:
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No. Between the fact that it closely resembles a word that means black in a language that english is derived from and the fact that a commonly used alternative for the word was negro (also means black, but in spanish this time) it seems pretty clear to me that the word was chosen to be associated with them because of their skin colour. Any allusions to stupidity would have been connotated with the term later.

Generalizing a word's meaning by looking at where it is derived from does not make it so.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/nigger


That link you posted states that the term is used towards black people, it shows no supporting evidence of your claim that the word nigger was once used to designate non-black people as far as I could find.

And actually yeah, you can find a word's meaning (or it's original meaning anyway) by looking at where it is derived from. I don't know why the hell you don't think that a word clearly derived from a word that meant black had nothing to do with anything black.

Yes, well since your confirmation bias glasses only informed you of what you already knew I'll just repost this.


XxDarkSasuxX wrote:

It is possible that the word was something else before it was directed towards black people. But I believe I have read somewhere that the word as we know it, today, [which] became nigger [and] was derived from the latin words you listed(paraphrased). Given the original colloquial usage of the word, I believe that it was used to make fun of blacks for being ignorant, despite the fact that they were deliberately kept uneducated by their owners.


And no, not every word holds true to where it has been derived from. Or else we wouldn't have this little thing called


I am well aware that not every word holds true to where it was derived from, that is why I specified that the origin of the word could be used to identify the ORIGINAL meaning of the word. I even said that connotations with stupidity would have been added after the word was made.

Ah, well. The article that I remember is old and difficult to find, and it's possible that I may be remembering it wrong, so you two may be right. In regards to this discussion, I am merely going off of memory rather than a source, so I'll concede here.

Regardless though, I don't believe the n word to be a wholly racist term, but it is correct to say that it is still used by some number of people as such.
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