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As always, Trump takes the side of his dillusional violent supporters and continues to encourage them to attack people. Even Trump's own campaign manager attacked a reporter just the other day and Trump is saying there's nothing wrong.


Don't forget he even offered to play their legal fees. >.>




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Did he just instinctively duck for cover. ¯\_(^_^ )_/¯


He almost instinctively wheeled the entire podium around to duck behind in the process.
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can you imagine if it was trump instead of kennedy? nukes would have been launched . lets think about that for a moment. this is what we are dealing with
what do we really want for a president?
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can you imagine if it was trump instead of kennedy? nukes would have been launched . lets think about that for a moment. this is what we are dealing with
what do we really want for a president?


I imagine if Trump was president at that time he would've gotten assassinated much faster than Kennedy. Only the assassin would've been viewed as a hero by half the country and possibly the rest of the world.
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"We're shutting down fascism using fascist tactics! Not hypocritical at all!"

This protest demonstrates exactly what is wrong with the masses in the US today. And they're STILL BLOCKING THE DAMN ROADS. Come ON, people.

If you don't like the gathering and that's as far as your reasoning to disrupt it goes, at least demonstrate peacefully. So what. Someone merely says something offensive. Boo hoo. If you lash out physically, it's still your fault because you began the physical altercation. It's not a law to be rude or to be a douche, but it is very illegal to incite violence for no other reason than that you didn't like what was being said.


The problem with this is that protesting peacefully at Trump rallies has only resulted in the protesters getting assaulted repeatedly and it hasn't damaged Trump at all. It's really hard to have your voice heard when Trump himself is encouraging his supporters to assault anyone who disagrees with him. Just being Muslim and sitting quietly with a shirt that says you don't like Trump is enough to get you kicked out of his rallies. There was a Trump supporter who attacked a black guy just for being at a rally. He said that next time he'll actually kill. As always, Trump takes the side of his dillusional violent supporters and continues to encourage them to attack people. Even Trump's own campaign manager attacked a reporter just the other day and Trump is saying there's nothing wrong.

I'm not saying these violent protesters were right to be violent. I'm just that if you punch someone in the face and knock them down, you shouldn't be surprised and crying fowl when that person gets back up and gives you an uppercut. People have tried protesting peacefully at Trump's rallies many times for months and it's only resulted in them getting viciously attacked by rabid dogs with Trump blowing the whistle. It was only a matter of time before someone tried taking the fight directly to Trump to see how he feels when he's on the receiving end. If you're telling millions of your supporters that it's good to hate everyone and attack anyone who disagrees with you, at that point you can't act surprised when someone comes up to you and grabs you in the middle of your speech.

All the people blaming for protesters for this mess seem to have a double standard. The actions of the protesters say "Trump and I disagree with each other. Why is he allowed to attack me, but I'm the bad guy if I treat Trump the way he treats me?" Again, I'm not trying to justify the violence. It's just very hypocritical to blame the protesters for retaliating after months of attacks from Trump and his cult.


as he said today to more protestors "what? I cant hear you, your voices are so tiny when you protest. its pathetic. get them out! out!"

so yea, if you are gonna be ignored and not heard ofc someone is gonna go loud and all out


honestly, I applaud these people. not for violence, but I applaud them to get organized like that and REALLY actually do something
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Good. Fuck Trump.
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of course people aren't doing it at any of the other rallies, you dumbfuck -trump- because they are not racist, sexist, fascist , bigots


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ZavinRoyalheart wrote:
Did he just instinctively duck for cover. ¯\_(^_^ )_/¯


He almost instinctively wheeled the entire podium around to duck behind in the process.


Sheesh, as long as he's going to be Greg Stillson, why doesn't he just grab a supporter's baby as a human shield?

(I'm going to keep posting that joke until somebody admits they saw "The Dead Zone". It's Cronenberg and Stephen King, rent it.)


redokami wrote:

can you imagine if it was trump instead of kennedy? nukes would have been launched .


The missiles are flying. Hallelujah.

(C'mon, it's on Amazon, how expensive could it be? And Hulu's only got the crappy cable-series spinoff.)
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I'm voting for him. I have no reason not to.
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toxxin wrote:

I'm voting for him. I have no reason not to.


Oh, you're that white, then?


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Those are fake photos. Here is a REAL photo:


(Dig up any articles on how protestors were treated at Hillary's rallies, and you can keep your gag. Cheap as it is.)
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Morbidhanson wrote:

"We're shutting down fascism using fascist tactics! Not hypocritical at all!"

This protest demonstrates exactly what is wrong with the masses in the US today. And they're STILL BLOCKING THE DAMN ROADS. Come ON, people.

If you don't like the gathering and that's as far as your reasoning to disrupt it goes, at least demonstrate peacefully. So what. Someone merely says something offensive. Boo hoo. If you lash out physically, it's still your fault because you began the physical altercation. It's not a law to be rude or to be a douche, but it is very illegal to incite violence for no other reason than that you didn't like what was being said.


Right, and if and when Trump supporters should engage peaceful protestors violently (as they have done) and Trump encourages violence against protestors and harassment of reporters (as he has) you highlight that by speaking to the press about it (as people have been doing). When one discovers that people have been engaging in violence against Hispanic people due to inspiration from Trump's rhetoric (which has happened), when one discovers that leaders of terrorist groups have been endorsing Trump and that Trump has pretended to not know who they are when he clearly does given his past assessments of the same people (which has also happened), and when all of this is collectively anathema to the USA's broader sensibilities (which is what is expected if Trump should enter the general election) there is no need to respond violently. If anything doing so undermines one's case against Trump's base and campaign since it gives them the opportunity to pivot and declare the people opposing them and the political left in general violent thugs (which we see happening even here, right now). Shutting down the rally with protest rather than merely being present and seen/heard in attendance only emboldens and solidifies Trump's base (though the shutdown was ultimately Trump's call and had things proceeded nonviolently throughout the shutdown would've reflected badly on him), and any protestor that engaged in any act of violence may as well have punched themselves. It'd have the same effect.




That is like one long example of "citation lacking."
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Ejanss wrote:


AnActualArtist wrote:


Those are fake photos. Here is a REAL photo:


(Dig up any articles on how protestors were treated at Hillary's rallies, and you can keep your gag. Cheap as it is.)


Either way, she's still a douche bag or a turd sandwich.
Posted 3/12/16

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BlueOni wrote:


Morbidhanson wrote:

"We're shutting down fascism using fascist tactics! Not hypocritical at all!"

This protest demonstrates exactly what is wrong with the masses in the US today. And they're STILL BLOCKING THE DAMN ROADS. Come ON, people.

If you don't like the gathering and that's as far as your reasoning to disrupt it goes, at least demonstrate peacefully. So what. Someone merely says something offensive. Boo hoo. If you lash out physically, it's still your fault because you began the physical altercation. It's not a law to be rude or to be a douche, but it is very illegal to incite violence for no other reason than that you didn't like what was being said.


Right, and if and when Trump supporters should engage peaceful protestors violently (as they have done) and Trump encourages violence against protestors and harassment of reporters (as he has) you highlight that by speaking to the press about it (as people have been doing). When one discovers that people have been engaging in violence against Hispanic people due to inspiration from Trump's rhetoric (which has happened), when one discovers that leaders of terrorist groups have been endorsing Trump and that Trump has pretended to not know who they are when he clearly does given his past assessments of the same people (which has also happened), and when all of this is collectively anathema to the USA's broader sensibilities (which is what is expected if Trump should enter the general election) there is no need to respond violently. If anything doing so undermines one's case against Trump's base and campaign since it gives them the opportunity to pivot and declare the people opposing them and the political left in general violent thugs (which we see happening even here, right now). Shutting down the rally with protest rather than merely being present and seen/heard in attendance only emboldens and solidifies Trump's base (though the shutdown was ultimately Trump's call and had things proceeded nonviolently throughout the shutdown would've reflected badly on him), and any protestor that engaged in any act of violence may as well have punched themselves. It'd have the same effect.




That is like one long example of "citation lacking."


True, but I'm not one to doubt BlueOni.
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The problem with this is that protesting peacefully at Trump rallies has only resulted in the protesters getting assaulted repeatedly and it hasn't damaged Trump at all. It's really hard to have your voice heard when Trump himself is encouraging his supporters to assault anyone who disagrees with him. Just being Muslim and sitting quietly with a shirt that says you don't like Trump is enough to get you kicked out of his rallies. There was a Trump supporter who attacked a black guy just for being at a rally. He said that next time he'll actually kill. As always, Trump takes the side of his dillusional violent supporters and continues to encourage them to attack people. Even Trump's own campaign manager attacked a reporter just the other day and Trump is saying there's nothing wrong.

I'm not saying these violent protesters were right to be violent. I'm just that if you punch someone in the face and knock them down, you shouldn't be surprised and crying fowl when that person gets back up and gives you an uppercut. People have tried protesting peacefully at Trump's rallies many times for months and it's only resulted in them getting viciously attacked by rabid dogs with Trump blowing the whistle. It was only a matter of time before someone tried taking the fight directly to Trump to see how he feels when he's on the receiving end. If you're telling millions of your supporters that it's good to hate everyone and attack anyone who disagrees with you, at that point you can't act surprised when someone comes up to you and tries to grab you in the middle of your speech.

All the people blaming for protesters for this mess seem to have a double standard. The actions of the protesters say "Trump and I disagree with each other. Why is he allowed to attack me, but I'm the bad guy if I treat Trump the way he treats me?" Again, I'm not trying to justify the violence. It's just very hypocritical to blame the protesters for retaliating after months of attacks from Trump and his cult.


But that's just it: not engaging in violent protest while visibly suffering violence and harassment at the hands of one's opposition highlights the violence of one's opponents and draws a clear contrast between you and them. Now the water is muddied and the contrast between anti-Trump protestors and the violent segment of Trump's support base is no longer as clear. This is why some activist circles specifically and sternly discourage their membership from engaging in violent behaviour during their protests even if they're attacked, because doing so only lends ammunition to an eager opposition (seriously, just look how fast Max jumped on this, blew it up, and tried to turn it into a reflection of the entire political left). That's my criticism, that the violence was unnecessary, unwise, and unhelpful. There are better ways to oppose Trump, though admittedly those ways are both difficult and dangerous.

It's a hard thing, being a protestor. You can expect the possibility of being beaten, gassed, sprayed with high pressure water streams, shot, fined, or incarcerated. You can expect people to mock and scorn you. Sometimes enduring things like these is a necessary part of your protest, and this is one of those times. You'll hurt Trump more by letting him and his base hurt you. It's unwise to meet them in kind.
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maxgale wrote:

That is like one long example of "citation lacking."


Is citation really that necessary for stuff that's all over the news? Trump has been encouraging violence at his rallies for months now. That's not anything new. Every time his supporters randomly beat up peaceful and silent protesters, he gives them a pat on the back and tells them they did a good job. Just last month he was endorsed by an infamous white supremacist who used to be a high ranking member of the KKK and Trump danced around the subject. First he disavowed his endorsement. Then the next day he refused to disavow it, claiming he didn't know who he was or who the KKK are. This was obviously a lie since 1) he's spoken about David Duke and his bigotry in past and 2) everyone with a functioning brain knows who the KKK are.
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This is where the binge watching of reality tv has gotten America. Disgusting, Sanders, Hilary, and Trump.
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