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What is your religious belief?
Posted 3/16/16 , edited 3/16/16

Ranwolf wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:



Your desire for punishment of the wicked is so high that you'd rather have a God, despite no real evidence of him leaning either way in terms of morality? Chancy.


And I ask what evidence do you have as an atheist that a he doesn't exit and b can't be of a moral upright stance. The Burden of Proof works both ways PV. The proof of his good will towards humans is the very fact he made humanity capable of good and gave us free will.


I never said he didn't exist nor that he couldn't be an arbiter or morality, I'm merely acknowledging, which I see a fair amount of people failing to do, that the devil and the deity we worshiped could essentially be one and the same. Have you ever read stories like Go Nagai's Devilman or various other interpretations of God? I'm acknowledging the existence of those media and that possibly that God is similar. I grew up with tales of vengeful Zeus, of the Gods that attempted to seduce mortals and otherwise like in tales of Uruk and Gilgamesh, and I think to myself "These have about as much proof as the bible". Especially considering morality is subjective, besides what God decides, but then it ties to "authority is the law and objective morality", which essentially is why we worship god. Because he can grant us our wildest dreams, or our worst nightmares.

I'm terrified of the possibility that the being behind our back is a malevolent one, much like how we fear the devil. I think back to all the possible afterlives imagined through the years, and think "wow, it could really be shitty".


Not to mention your proof is entirely what's the word....open to interpretation?
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Ranwolf wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:



Your desire for punishment of the wicked is so high that you'd rather have a God, despite no real evidence of him leaning either way in terms of morality? Chancy.


And I ask what evidence do you have as an atheist that a he doesn't exit and b can't be of a moral upright stance. The Burden of Proof works both ways PV. The proof of his good will towards humans is the very fact he made humanity capable of good and gave us free will.


I never said he didn't exist nor that he couldn't be an arbiter or morality, I'm merely acknowledging, which I see a fair amount of people failing to do, that the devil and the deity we worshiped could essentially be one and the same. Have you ever read stories like Go Nagai's Devilman or various other interpretations of God? I'm acknowledging the existence of those media and that possibly that God is similar. I grew up with tales of vengeful Zeus, of the Gods that attempted to seduce mortals and otherwise like in tales of Uruk and Gilgamesh, and I think to myself "These have about as much proof as the bible". Especially considering morality is subjective, besides what God decides, but then it ties to "authority is the law and objective morality", which essentially is why we worship god. Because he can grant us our wildest dreams, or our worst nightmares.

I'm terrified of the possibility that the being behind our back is a malevolent one, much like how we fear the devil. I think back to all the possible afterlives imagined through the years, and think "wow, it could really be shitty".


Not to mention your proof is entirely what's the word....open to interpretation?


"For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son,i with whom I am well pleased,” we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."
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((putting Marcus Octavius role playing on hold)) now to reality :P.

I'm Christian, I strongly believe in God and his son Jesus Christ. I admired how Jesus Christ live his life.. Instead of speaking of Hate, he teach God Love, not Fear of God.

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Ranwolf wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:



Your desire for punishment of the wicked is so high that you'd rather have a God, despite no real evidence of him leaning either way in terms of morality? Chancy.


And I ask what evidence do you have as an atheist that a he doesn't exit and b can't be of a moral upright stance. The Burden of Proof works both ways PV. The proof of his good will towards humans is the very fact he made humanity capable of good and gave us free will.


I never said he didn't exist nor that he couldn't be an arbiter or morality, I'm merely acknowledging, which I see a fair amount of people failing to do, that the devil and the deity we worshiped could essentially be one and the same. Have you ever read stories like Go Nagai's Devilman or various other interpretations of God? I'm acknowledging the existence of those media and that possibly that God is similar. I grew up with tales of vengeful Zeus, of the Gods that attempted to seduce mortals and otherwise like in tales of Uruk and Gilgamesh, and I think to myself "These have about as much proof as the bible". Especially considering morality is subjective, besides what God decides, but then it ties to "authority is the law and objective morality", which essentially is why we worship god. Because he can grant us our wildest dreams, or our worst nightmares.

I'm terrified of the possibility that the being behind our back is a malevolent one, much like how we fear the devil. I think back to all the possible afterlives imagined through the years, and think "wow, it could really be shitty".


Not to mention your proof is entirely what's the word....open to interpretation?



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Posted 3/16/16

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Ranwolf wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:



Your desire for punishment of the wicked is so high that you'd rather have a God, despite no real evidence of him leaning either way in terms of morality? Chancy.


And I ask what evidence do you have as an atheist that a he doesn't exit and b can't be of a moral upright stance. The Burden of Proof works both ways PV. The proof of his good will towards humans is the very fact he made humanity capable of good and gave us free will.


I never said he didn't exist nor that he couldn't be an arbiter or morality, I'm merely acknowledging, which I see a fair amount of people failing to do, that the devil and the deity we worshiped could essentially be one and the same. Have you ever read stories like Go Nagai's Devilman or various other interpretations of God? I'm acknowledging the existence of those media and that possibly that God is similar. I grew up with tales of vengeful Zeus, of the Gods that attempted to seduce mortals and otherwise like in tales of Uruk and Gilgamesh, and I think to myself "These have about as much proof as the bible". Especially considering morality is subjective, besides what God decides, but then it ties to "authority is the law and objective morality", which essentially is why we worship god. Because he can grant us our wildest dreams, or our worst nightmares.

I'm terrified of the possibility that the being behind our back is a malevolent one, much like how we fear the devil. I think back to all the possible afterlives imagined through the years, and think "wow, it could really be shitty".


Not to mention your proof is entirely what's the word....open to interpretation?


"For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son,i with whom I am well pleased,” we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

I didnt mean interpretations of the bible, but of God itself. There exist as many explanations as there are stars, and quite frankly I think they're all equally valid ones at that.
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I don't consider my belief religious, but it is agnostic. I rather be ignostic than to be an extremist or fanatic of some sort.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I never said he didn't exist nor that he couldn't be an arbiter or morality, I'm merely acknowledging, which I see a fair amount of people failing to do, that the devil and the deity we worshiped could essentially be one and the same. Have you ever read stories like Go Nagai's Devilman or various other interpretations of God? I'm acknowledging the existence of those media and that possibly that God is similar. I grew up with tales of vengeful Zeus, of the Gods that attempted to seduce mortals and otherwise like in tales of Uruk and Gilgamesh, and I think to myself "These have about as much proof as the bible". Especially considering morality is subjective, besides what God decides, but then it ties to "authority is the law and objective morality", which essentially is why we worship god. Because he can grant us our wildest dreams, or our worst nightmares.

I'm terrified of the possibility that the being behind our back is a malevolent one, much like how we fear the devil. I think back to all the possible afterlives imagined through the years, and think "wow, it could really be shitty".


Not to mention your proof is entirely what's the word....open to interpretation?


"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things." Isaish 45:7.
So essentially, yes. He is all good and all evil.
Here's the full except.

Posted 3/16/16

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I never said he didn't exist nor that he couldn't be an arbiter or morality, I'm merely acknowledging, which I see a fair amount of people failing to do, that the devil and the deity we worshiped could essentially be one and the same. Have you ever read stories like Go Nagai's Devilman or various other interpretations of God? I'm acknowledging the existence of those media and that possibly that God is similar. I grew up with tales of vengeful Zeus, of the Gods that attempted to seduce mortals and otherwise like in tales of Uruk and Gilgamesh, and I think to myself "These have about as much proof as the bible". Especially considering morality is subjective, besides what God decides, but then it ties to "authority is the law and objective morality", which essentially is why we worship god. Because he can grant us our wildest dreams, or our worst nightmares.

I'm terrified of the possibility that the being behind our back is a malevolent one, much like how we fear the devil. I think back to all the possible afterlives imagined through the years, and think "wow, it could really be shitty".


Not to mention your proof is entirely what's the word....open to interpretation?


"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things." Isaish 45:7.
So essentially, yes. He is all good and all evil.
Here's the full except.



Oh my fucking god, what I just said didn't necessarily mean the Christian God, just God in general, if there is a single god, or god at all. Stop quoting your holy books quotes guys. I'm not misunderstanding Christianity because that's besides the point. I'm merely acknowledging the multiple god theories we have imagined, from Hinduism to Judaism.

Though I guess it is my fault, for being somewhat misleading with my use of "interpretation". By interpretation, I was referring to interpreting the "actions" of a deity we presumed have caused it.
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Ah. My apologies. But, as far as the Christian god goes, you are correct in that interpretation. Well, in order to interpret each action, we'd have to go on a case by case basis of each and every deity and judge accordingly based on a group's view of morality. Perhaps you could perform an in-depth study and write an award-winning paper on it? Now there's something for Reader's Digest.
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I used to be Christin but after I died I stopped believing in god and I no longer believe in religion and that its a complete waste of time and money and its completely unjustified and we need to focus our efforts as a society on technology development and resource development instead of wasting that energy on religion
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I honestly don't know. I really flip flop between Catholic and agnostic depending on the day. But more agnostic. I've been to church a few times, think it's a waste of time. But whenever I want luck or am in a bad spot, I do say "God help me if you exist" lol

But in countries where they have a longer relationship with Catholicism, I feel more like I "believe" if that makes sense. In the U.S., churches are spread out like fast food places, which bothers me for some reason. And then whenever I saw mosques in a countrie where there used to be predominately churches, that really makes me mad, even though I have really nothing against practicing another faith as long as it doesn't mess with me or someone I know (which it has and that makes me mad for that particular person).
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I worship Innoruuk.
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i am catholic we have beautiful church
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Ranwolf wrote:

The proof of his good will towards humans is the very fact he made humanity capable of good and gave us free will.


The proof of AIDS is the very fact that apples grow on trees.

THAT is how much sense you made.
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Hrafna wrote:


Ranwolf wrote:

The proof of his good will towards humans is the very fact he made humanity capable of good and gave us free will.


The proof of AIDS is the very fact that apples grow on trees.

THAT is how much sense you made.


Nawww this ought to be a cute quarrel.
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