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Would you kill or die for your beliefs?
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Posted 3/17/16

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Killing or dying for a belief is the pinnacle of hypocrisy because the only thing that can define a belief is the self. No group no matter how big or how small is consistent in their beliefs; we each have our own goals, interpretations and ideals. So ultimately anyone who takes a life because of what they believe is either a fool or a murderer. And if you die that can only make you a fool.

I'm confused by your definition of belief. Would I be a fool or a murderer if I killed or died to protect someone because I believed it's right to protect innocent life? Or do you consider that a different aspect of beliefs?

I apologize if I'm misrepresenting your position. I'm quite confused by your post, haha.
Even a belief such as the need to protect innocent life can vary from one person or group to the next. Who decides who is innocent and who is not? Are some innocent lives valued more than others? What I'm saying is it is correct to make a huge sacrifice for a cause or even an idea, but not beliefs. This does not devalue beliefs, in fact quite the contrary. I think this definition holds beliefs as truly sacred because they are entities of our own making, unique to ourselves. True some beliefs come from the influence of others, but the reasons for which you cherish or hold onto a belief are one of a kind. Dying or killing for a belief removes the individuality that our beliefs hold because in order to declare a belief is worth such a sacrifice, many people must agree on it and it loses all of its individual meaning.

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Posted 3/18/16

JustineKo2 wrote:

Even a belief such as the need to protect innocent life can vary from one person or group to the next. Who decides who is innocent and who is not? Are some innocent lives valued more than others? What I'm saying is it is correct to make a huge sacrifice for a cause or even an idea, but not beliefs. This does not devalue beliefs, in fact quite the contrary. I think this definition holds beliefs as truly sacred because they are entities of our own making, unique to ourselves. True some beliefs come from the influence of others, but the reasons for which you cherish or hold onto a belief are one of a kind. Dying or killing for a belief removes the individuality that our beliefs hold because in order to declare a belief is worth such a sacrifice, many people must agree on it and it loses all of its individual meaning.

This idea seems self-defeating because you're denying objectivity while using objectivity. For instance, what you're saying about beliefs being purely personal is a belief...So you must think that's objectively true, while we're unable to make objective statements elsewhere.
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Posted 3/18/16 , edited 3/18/16

TheCrushmaster wrote:


JustineKo2 wrote:

Even a belief such as the need to protect innocent life can vary from one person or group to the next. Who decides who is innocent and who is not? Are some innocent lives valued more than others? What I'm saying is it is correct to make a huge sacrifice for a cause or even an idea, but not beliefs. This does not devalue beliefs, in fact quite the contrary. I think this definition holds beliefs as truly sacred because they are entities of our own making, unique to ourselves. True some beliefs come from the influence of others, but the reasons for which you cherish or hold onto a belief are one of a kind. Dying or killing for a belief removes the individuality that our beliefs hold because in order to declare a belief is worth such a sacrifice, many people must agree on it and it loses all of its individual meaning.

This idea seems self-defeating because you're denying objectivity while using objectivity. For instance, what you're saying about beliefs being purely personal is a belief...So you must think that's objectively true, while we're unable to make objective statements elsewhere.
Well good point, I can accept no one else would define beliefs the way I have. Let's say the prevailing thought about them is beliefs are similar to causes or ideas that many people can agree on and get behind such that it is worth killing or dying for. This assumption would create a vacuum for something that is defined by being truly objective. There's nothing wrong with objectivity, it helps to facilitate our individuality and to recognize that individuality. My point really of disagreeing with the thought that we can stand so strongly behind beliefs that we would kill or die, is that I think such a sacrifice is better associated with causes and ideals and beliefs are not the appropriate thing to attach to that.
Posted 3/18/16
Depends on the situation tbh
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Posted 3/18/16
Agnostic and always willing to compromise & look for answers, but if that answer is "Join or Die" then I'll kill the SOB.
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It depends on the belief. Yes, some of my beliefs I would die for. ...and others I would fight for. but others just aren't that important.

For example I would defend the constitution or our nation with my life. On the other hand, my favorite color is green. I believe it's pretty. but if some one pointed a gun at me and told me to change colors or die I would shrug and say, pink.
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I plead the fifth.
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