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Yup, love the logic.

We don't want to keep paying people, so we will pay for the equivalent of 3 years pay for a single worker to replace with a single machine. So paying more money for a machine and not keeping a person, yup that sounds about right, paying more money to have maintenance and repairs done on that machine, yup that sounds about right, and we don't want to pay our workers more money because?

Makes me laugh. It really does. A Bullshit excuse, these chains and franchises have millions and billions of dollars, and they don't want to pay their workers more because they don't have the money to pay them? Da fuq are these people smoking? You know what I hope they do this so that fast food will die out, because i'm not walking up to a fucking machine that's going to be touched by hundreds of disgusting peoples hands.


Dunno about that price estimate.

Let us assume that we will have one robot to take people's orders to replace the person at the front. Let us assume this person makes minimum wage and will be there at all hours of operation which for my area is 5am to 10pm. Over the course of a year this position will cost just shy of $45,000 in wages alone. This does not count worker's comp insurance, health insurance, life insurance, payroll taxes, and other costs for employees beyond wages.

After some research, I found that one can get a touch screen self-service kiosk with software and a 5 year service agreement for under $1,000.

If I was opening a restaurant I would not have any cashiers.


I don't either I just put some outrageous number because I actually have no idea, but in all honesty just hearing about this idea makes me laugh. When we are talking about fast food, this is such a bad idea, a good business decision, but just a terrible idea. People are stupid when it comes to technology, even if you make it soo easy, some how people will find a way to turn that machine upside down.

I'll accept it in movie theaters, I walk up to a machine, buy my ticket, then I walk over to an actual person, give my ticket, and proceed. If they want to just eliminate people at the cashier, but still have people on drive through, and people still cooking, I mean sure, but honestly what is the point?

There is more risk involved with using a machine. You will probably have service charges applied to your meal, probably pay more money for the meal itself, people will find a way to complete destroy that machine, because we like to destroy things. In the end its all for what? More money in their pockets for absolutely no good reason other than lining their pockets, unless this is just the reason for competition against shit like McDonald's

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Well... Electrician, programming, and mechanical field workers benefit. Lord knows, machinery need plenty of maintenance.
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It's not that human workers are too expensive now, plenty of other fast food chains are getting by well enough. It's that companies like Carl's Jr. that are based in California are facing higher and higher taxes. It's just getting too cost prohibitive to pay higher than minimum wage, or paying anyone at all AND pay the rising tax rates in California. That's why they are relocating their headquarters to a state with lower taxes.
Perhaps this is why we need to RAISE the minimum wage (just in the states with lower tax brackets), to discourage increased unemployment in states that companies are migrating away from.
Posted 3/18/16
well the robot be in the Carls commercials i cant wait
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I don't which point of view is more pathetic: The idea Spatula Sally deserves $15/h, or a CEO who thinks fast food workers already make $12 an hour.
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This sounds like vending machines, self service checkouts and factory bots.
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Posted 3/18/16 , edited 3/18/16

JustineKo2 wrote:

It's not that human workers are too expensive now, plenty of other fast food chains are getting by well enough. It's that companies like Carl's Jr. that are based in California are facing higher and higher taxes. It's just getting too cost prohibitive to pay higher than minimum wage, or paying anyone at all AND pay the rising tax rates in California. That's why they are relocating their headquarters to a state with lower taxes.
Perhaps this is why we need to RAISE the minimum wage (just in the states with lower tax brackets), to discourage increased unemployment in states that companies are migrating away from.


Wow you got that backwards..... California needs to decrease its taxes so that companies will stay in California. California is creating their own unemployment problems dont ask other states to solve California's stupid ideas. At that point your encouraging stupidity through stupidity subsidies.
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They're going to have a hard time with reCAPTCHA though.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Ehhhh, if we can't outsource it to India, what makes them think they can outsource it to robots?

You can't outsource the American pride
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They're going to have a hard time with reCAPTCHA though.


In order to verify your human select the pictures that have a big Mac and press purchase
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This is going to be long, but bear with me. Being on both sides of this issue, I have a lot to say about it.

I am a researcher in artificial intelligence (university student), and from my experience, this trend is only going to increase, and it's not just fast food that will be affected. Financially, automation is a great decision. The cost of having self-service kiosks is far below the cost of paying a cashier to take orders, even with routine maintenance costs. Right now, automated cooking and meal assembly machines are closely equivalent to the cost of paying employees to do the same job, but as technology becomes better and cheaper, the balance will shift to machines being the better option.

People worry that automation of jobs will kill employment and cause economic problems, but what really happens is what's called a job/employment shift. Lets look back at history. With the invention of the first factories, automobiles, and mechanical farm equipment, people believed blacksmiths would die out because their primary work at the time was smithing for horses, carriages, farm tools, and the like. Guess what, blacksmiths did decrease (drastically), but the knowledge of metallurgy was still very much needed. It only needed to be applied in a different scope. With the drop of blacksmiths, there was an increase in factory technicians, metalworkers, and mechanics. Employment shifted to meet the new economic situation.

The only difference I see between the blacksmith example and fast food is that fast food is a no-education-required position, as far as minimum wage positions go, whereas Blacksmith is a trade that requires education and training. As technology shifts to automation of routine, methodical jobs, education also needs to improve so that people who would otherwise be fulfilling these positions can now hold jobs that are too difficult for our current technology to perform, ones that require human intellect and creativity.

Rising minimum wage is not a cause but a symptom of the current state of economic change we find ourselves in. The cost of living is increasing faster than the education of our population to fit the jobs of our current economy. I'm sure most people have heard that there is a MASSIVE demand for students in STEM fields because there are not enough potential employees to fill the job openings being created. The relative pay of those able to perform these jobs are increasing due to the demand, while the relative pay of those unable to perform them is decreasing. This is the underlying issue of the universal call for minimum wage increase, and most people working minimum wage (I was one for 8 years) don't realize this.

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What a complete twat. I just don't understand why there are people who want to replace every human with a robot and replace every kind of real life activity with something virtual. If you like technology so much, do us all a favour and go plug yourself into an electric chair.
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eclair-lumiere wrote:

What a complete twat. I just don't understand why there are people who want to replace every human with a robot and replace every kind of real life activity with something virtual. If you like technology so much, do us all a favour and go plug yourself into an electric chair.


I have to say when I read up to the last few words I thought you were going to say virtual reality or something of that nature (everyone these days is constantly going on about that stuff) but when I saw electric chair that had me laughing for a good few minutes.
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I have to say when I read up to the last few words I thought you were going to say virtual reality or something of that nature (everyone these days is constantly going on about that stuff) but when I saw electric chair that had me laughing for a good few minutes.



Don't get me started on virtual reality!

Although I'm skeptical over whether we are actually close to developing that. I saw an ad for Samsung VR and it's just a box you stick on your head with a phone in it
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eclair-lumiere wrote:




I have to say when I read up to the last few words I thought you were going to say virtual reality or something of that nature (everyone these days is constantly going on about that stuff) but when I saw electric chair that had me laughing for a good few minutes.


Don't get me started on virtual reality!

Although I'm skeptical over whether we are actually close to developing that. I saw an ad for Samsung VR and it's just a box you stick on your head with a phone in it


Are we close to developing full-dive Nervegear-esque virtual reality? No we aren't anywhere near that. However that's not even what we are aiming for with current VR tech.

Human interaction is over rated anyways. Why have some cashier with an attitude who 7 out of 10 times will screw up the order when I can push a couple of buttons and be done.

Why is someone a twat for making a financially smart decision for their company? Why is enjoying the benefits of technology a reason to go kill yourself(though I don't really believe you think people should actually go electrocute themselves)? Why is wanting to create an ideal world that is different from reality a bad thing?
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