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Anonymous turned against themselves? Really? Who would have though a cyber-terrorism group of insane radical criminals would have disgareements?


I think you (and many others) lack understanding of what Anonymous is. It's already a stretch to label them as a group. More accurately they would be many smaller groups who may or may not be related. They may not even work toward the same goal. Politics, black hats, white hats, grey hats, activism... the only requirement to be Anonymous is to be well... anonymous. It's a banner more than it is an identity.
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Anonymous wasn't unified to begin with...


Xxanthar wrote:

This election has nothing to do with common sense, logic, or even ideology. It's about your average everyday working class American being pissed off over getting screwed for the past 20+ years. It's how we revolt these days, without killing each other.


That's the scary thing about this election. People aren't voting based on common sense or who they think is best suited to be their leader. People are voting based on their anger. That's exactly what allowed Adolf Hitler to rise to power. The people of Germany were angry and so they supported the person who told them who they should be angry at. As the saying goes, those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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Look, I'm as much against Trump as anyone, but I really can't see why 'divisive' should be an insult. To be completely honest, very few things scare me more than entire nation united in homogeneous beliefs, ideas, feelings, actions, etc. Unity, to be honest, fucking scares me. Particularly when it's unity of Government -- you know, the thing that tells you what you can and can't do under penalty of forceful coercion. I really really don't want a situation in which a group of politicians decides what's 'right,' and then forces this state of affairs on the populace. I happen to think pluralism, diversity of opinion, or to put it simply, division, is a good thing. We need divisiveness. I have lots of problems with Trump, but his "divisiveness" is not one. I might even consider it a strong point. He's created a clear demarcation of the American demographic, and his "divisiveness" has taught me about America in a way that few politicians ever have. His divisiveness is to blame for this, and I welcome it.

Edit: Also, Gary Johnson 2016


He's rippin' masks and veneers off of a whole lotta people on all sides, that's for sure


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Anonymous wasn't unified to begin with...


Xxanthar wrote:

This election has nothing to do with common sense, logic, or even ideology. It's about your average everyday working class American being pissed off over getting screwed for the past 20+ years. It's how we revolt these days, without killing each other.


That's the scary thing about this election. People aren't voting based on common sense or who they think is best suited to be their leader. People are voting based on their anger. That's exactly what allowed Adolf Hitler to rise to power. The people of Germany were angry and so they supported the person who told them who they should be angry at. As the saying goes, those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.


...and make somewhat incorrect comparisons
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/noah-baron/donald-trump-isnt-hitler_b_8751676.html
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Trump 2016.
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Hitler comparisons are stupid, and only believed by the stupid or insane. This is not 1930 Germany. The Hitler garbage is repeated through the media by the left. It's basically designed to scare idiots into voting for Shrillary. By the way, the Nazi party was an extreme leftist socialist party. Check the history books.
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Many people think of the ideology spectrum being straight line left or right, It's better thought of as a circle like this.
Posted 3/18/16

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


DeadlyOats wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


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The Republican politicians, the insider country clubbing Republican Establishment that has ignored the majority of Republican party members. Those are the guys that fear him, but so do the Hillary supporters...


You're claiming that everyone who fears Trump belongs to those two candidates, and I disagree. A great deal of people don't like Trump doesn't necessarily have to be Hillary or Republican.


Hillary is one candidate. What other candidate did you say I mentioned? I didn't say "supporters of the two candidates" even once. Where in my post does it say, "supporters of any thing"...? Not even close. You are putting words in my mouth. I said,


The Republican politicians, the insider country clubbing Republican Establishment that has ignored the majority of Republican party members. Those are the guys that fear him...,


Then I added,



but so do the Hillary supporters...


That was a typo, what I meant was Hillary or Other Republican candidates, though it was painfully clear in the second part of my sentence.



A great deal of people don't like Trump doesn't necessarily have to be Hillary or Republican


Though really you're just being nit picky over typos at this point.


Typo my ass. You were putting words in my mouth. I'm being nit picky because I called you on twisting my words? Psssh!!!

I'm tired of this. I'm going to bed.



Don''t go to bed, I enjoy your impartial remarks but then again You're Oats and everytime I see your pic I feel like eating you. That being said.....Can i pour some milk on you, senpai?
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Xxanthar wrote:

Hitler comparisons are stupid, and only believed by the stupid or insane. This is not 1930 Germany. The Hitler garbage is repeated through the media by the left. It's basically designed to scare idiots into voting for Shrillary. By the way, the Nazi party was an extreme leftist socialist party. Check the history books.


Maybe I should've been clearer. I didn't say Trump was Hitler. I said his method of rising to power is similar to Hitler's. My post was a response to what was said of this election being about anger and not about common sense. When people make decisions based on anger rather than rational policies, they tend to not make the best choices. I was simply using a famous example to point that out.

With 1930's Germany, the people were facing an economic crisis and were still upset about losing the war. Hitler came along and told everyone that Jews were to blame. He directed everyone's anger towards the Jews and over a long period of time he slowly introduced policies that would limit the freedom of Jews and encourage open discrimination against them. He didn't start out as the crazy "let's kill all Jews" guy we know him for today.

Today, there are millions of Americans feeling that the economy is in terrible shape. Now we have Donald Trump telling us that all illegal immigrants are to blame for our economy and that Muslims are putting our national security in danger. He's even gone as far as to say he wants to ban non-American Muslims from entering the country and he wants to put cameras in mosques. He's even said he wants to force Muslims to be labeled so they can be identified whenever they're in public, which is disturbingly the same thing that happened to the Jews in Germany and German territory in the years leading up to the Holocaust. Both Trump and Hitler have used ethnic groups as scapegoats in order to become popular among their angry base.

Do I believe Trump wants to kill people for being Mexican or Muslim? Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he says it himself eventually, but I don't really believe he wants to hurt people aside from telling his supporters to assault protesters. Even if he does say something that extreme, it'll most likely just be empty words. Trump himself doesn't believe half the stuff that comes out of his mouth. He only says the things he does because he knows his fans will eat up anything he says. It just happens that convincing people to be angry at someone is an effective way of getting them to vote for you. Even if he does try to go through with his crazy ideas, the laws of our country are there to block such actions, which is thankfully an advantage we have over 1930's Germany, as nanikore's link mentions.

You don't have to be a Hillary supporter to know what a history book is. Actually, I doubt Hillary's supporters are any more educated than Trump's if they believe having a vagina is all it takes to be qualified to be president.
Posted 3/18/16 , edited 3/18/16

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Xxanthar wrote:

Hitler comparisons are stupid, and only believed by the stupid or insane. This is not 1930 Germany. The Hitler garbage is repeated through the media by the left. It's basically designed to scare idiots into voting for Shrillary. By the way, the Nazi party was an extreme leftist socialist party. Check the history books.


Maybe I should've been clearer. I didn't say Trump was Hitler. I said his method of rising to power is similar to Hitler's. My post was a response to what was said of this election being about anger and not about common sense. When people make decisions based on anger rather than rational policies, they tend to not make the best choices. I was simply using a famous example to point that out.

With 1930's Germany, the people were facing an economic crisis and were still upset about losing the war. Hitler came along and told everyone that Jews were to blame. He directed everyone's anger towards the Jews and over a long period of time he slowly introduced policies that would limit the freedom of Jews and encourage open discrimination against them. He didn't start out as the crazy "let's kill all Jews" guy we know him for today.

Today, there are millions of Americans feeling that the economy is in terrible shape. Now we have Donald Trump telling us that all illegal immigrants are to blame for our economy and that Muslims are putting our national security in danger. He's even gone as far as to say he wants to ban non-American Muslims from entering the country and he wants to put cameras in mosques. He's even said he wants to force Muslims to be labeled so they can be identified whenever they're in public, which is disturbingly the same thing that happened to the Jews in Germany and German territory in the years leading up to the Holocaust. Both Trump and Hitler have used ethnic groups as scapegoats in order to become popular among their angry base.

Do I believe Trump wants to kill people for being Mexican or Muslim? Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he says it himself eventually, but I don't really believe he wants to hurt people aside from telling his supporters to assault protesters. Even if he does say something that extreme, it'll most likely just be empty words. Trump himself doesn't believe half the stuff that comes out of his mouth. He only says the things he does because he knows his fans will eat up anything he says. It just happens that convincing people to be angry at someone is an effective way of getting them to vote for you. Even if he does try to go through with his crazy ideas, the laws of our country are there to block such actions, which is thankfully an advantage we have over 1930's Germany, as nanikore's link mentions.

You don't have to be a Hillary supporter to know what a history book is. Actually, I doubt Hillary's supporters are any more educated than Trump's if they believe having a vagina is all it takes to be qualified to be president.


I respect your opinion.

I find it interesting that many people that voted Democrat for President Barack Obama have come to realized hopefully that this country hasn't gotten better by any means by any significant amount. I voted for Mr. Trump because I'm sick and tired of words that don't mean shit and the leaders who can't unify the people to come to action for good or bad. I unequivocally believe that if we all come together for one undisputed outcome we will win. We have the intellect, we have the power, and we have the willpower, to do anything we want. We just have to come together to do it. I think Mr. Trump is the leader to tell us the things we want to hear and the thing we don't want to hear in order for us to be better than what we were. I'm not saying he's perfect, I'm not saying he doesn't lie, I'm not saying he's the best candidate, but I think he means good for all of us and if you gave President Barack Obama a chance to improve our country which he failed at then you should be open to give Mr. Trump a chance. You might eat your words and be surprised that he was ACTUALLY a great president.
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I honestly don't like hackers of any kind, but anything to stop that idiot from becoming president, I'm ok with. He's as much of a plague as those Kardashians
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I honestly don't like hackers of any kind, but anything to stop that idiot from becoming president, I'm ok with. He's as much of a plague as those Kardashians


I find that hard to believe.
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MoxiRoxi wrote:

I honestly don't like hackers of any kind, but anything to stop that idiot from becoming president, I'm ok with. He's as much of a plague as those Kardashians


I find that hard to believe.


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I respect your opinion.

I find it interesting that many people that voted Democrat for President Barack Obama have come to realized hopefully that this country hasn't gotten better by any means by any significant amount. I voted for Mr. Trump because I'm sick and tired of words that don't mean shit and the leaders who can't unify the people to come to action for good or bad. I unequivocally believe that if we all come together for one undisputed outcome we will win. We have the intellect, we have the power, and we have the willpower, to do anything we want. We just have to come together to do it. I think Mr. Trump is the leader to tell us the things we want to hear and the thing we don't want to hear in order for us to be better than what we were. I'm not saying he's perfect, I'm not saying he doesn't lie, I'm not saying he's the best candidate, but I think he means good for all of us and if you gave President Barack Obama a chance to improve our country which he failed at then you should be open to give Mr. Trump a chance. You might eat your words and be surprised that he was ACTUALLY a great president.


I'm not sure why you think I've given Obama a chance. First of all, I wasn't even old enough to vote in the last election. Second, I never once liked Obama as a president. I've been skeptical of politicians since I was little and I've never liked either choices that the two major parties present us with. I remember 8 years seeing so many people chanting "hope" and "change" everywhere. Once Obama took office, there was no change other than having a black guy in the White House for once. 4 years later, Obama wasn't as popular as he was before but he still won because voters focused on voting for who they believed was the lesser of two evils between him and Romney. During the 2014 midterm elections, democrats up for reelection were scared of being associated with Obama.

I'm not surprised at all that people are disappointed with Obama and want to vote for someone who represents something different, but there's no way Trump can unify people. His entire campaign is about alienating anyone who isn't a white male. He mocks women for having periods. He says illegal immigrants are killing and raping us. He wants to ban people from entering the country based on their religion. He says China is stealing jobs from us, even though he's happily giving them jobs and all his clothes and campaign merchandise are made in China. As I said in my previous post, Trump uses people as scapegoats for all our problems. What's really ironic is that the people who complained Obama was too divisive are now eagerly voting for a man who's running on a platform of dividing people. This guy repeatedly tells people to fight each other.

Trump certainly tells his loyal followers what they want to hear, but he doesn't say what they don't want to hear. He always says he's going to make America great again. He's going to bring jobs back from overseas. He's going to end illegal immigration. He's going to make our military the strongest in the world (it already is). We're going to win win win at everything. He makes sure to ignore all the laws and practical limitations that get in the way of that because he knows his followers don't want to hear that.

The only possible way Trump can ever be a great president is if he reveals this was all just a giant act and starts proposing realistic solutions that aren't based on an "us vs. them" mentality.


MoxiRoxi wrote:

I honestly don't like hackers of any kind, but anything to stop that idiot from becoming president, I'm ok with. He's as much of a plague as those Kardashians


If we're not careful, we might actually end up with a Kardashian as our First Lady. If Trump can be taken seriously, then so can Kanye 2020.
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Anonymous will do anything to stay in the news, won't they?
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bethos30 wrote:

I respect your opinion.

I find it interesting that many people that voted Democrat for President Barack Obama have come to realized hopefully that this country hasn't gotten better by any means by any significant amount. I voted for Mr. Trump because I'm sick and tired of words that don't mean shit and the leaders who can't unify the people to come to action for good or bad. I unequivocally believe that if we all come together for one undisputed outcome we will win. We have the intellect, we have the power, and we have the willpower, to do anything we want. We just have to come together to do it. I think Mr. Trump is the leader to tell us the things we want to hear and the thing we don't want to hear in order for us to be better than what we were. I'm not saying he's perfect, I'm not saying he doesn't lie, I'm not saying he's the best candidate, but I think he means good for all of us and if you gave President Barack Obama a chance to improve our country which he failed at then you should be open to give Mr. Trump a chance. You might eat your words and be surprised that he was ACTUALLY a great president.


I'm not sure why you think I've given Obama a chance. First of all, I wasn't even old enough to vote in the last election. Second, I never once liked Obama as a president. I've been skeptical of politicians since I was little and I've never liked either choices that the two major parties present us with. I remember 8 years seeing so many people chanting "hope" and "change" everywhere. Once Obama took office, there was no change other than having a black guy in the White House for once. 4 years later, Obama wasn't as popular as he was before but he still won because voters focused on voting for who they believed was the lesser of two evils between him and Romney. During the 2014 midterm elections, democrats up for reelection were scared of being associated with Obama.

I'm not surprised at all that people are disappointed with Obama and want to vote for someone who represents something different, but there's no way Trump can unify people. His entire campaign is about alienating anyone who isn't a white male. He mocks women for having periods. He says illegal immigrants are killing and raping us. He wants to ban people from entering the country based on their religion. He says China is stealing jobs from us, even though he's happily giving them jobs and all his clothes and campaign merchandise are made in China. As I said in my previous post, Trump uses people as scapegoats for all our problems. What's really ironic is that the people who complained Obama was too divisive are now eagerly voting for a man who's running on a platform of dividing people. This guy repeatedly tells people to fight each other.

Trump certainly tells his loyal followers what they want to hear, but he doesn't say what they don't want to hear. He always says he's going to make America great again. He's going to bring jobs back from overseas. He's going to end illegal immigration. He's going to make our military the strongest in the world (it already is). We're going to win win win at everything. He makes sure to ignore all the laws and practical limitations that get in the way of that because he knows his followers don't want to hear that.

The only possible way Trump can ever be a great president is if he reveals this was all just a giant act and starts proposing realistic solutions that aren't based on an "us vs. them" mentality.


MoxiRoxi wrote:

I honestly don't like hackers of any kind, but anything to stop that idiot from becoming president, I'm ok with. He's as much of a plague as those Kardashians


If we're not careful, we might actually end up with a Kardashian as our First Lady. If Trump can be taken seriously, then so can Kanye 2020.


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