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Posted 3/18/16

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bethos30 wrote:

I respect your opinion.

I find it interesting that many people that voted Democrat for President Barack Obama have come to realized hopefully that this country hasn't gotten better by any means by any significant amount. I voted for Mr. Trump because I'm sick and tired of words that don't mean shit and the leaders who can't unify the people to come to action for good or bad. I unequivocally believe that if we all come together for one undisputed outcome we will win. We have the intellect, we have the power, and we have the willpower, to do anything we want. We just have to come together to do it. I think Mr. Trump is the leader to tell us the things we want to hear and the thing we don't want to hear in order for us to be better than what we were. I'm not saying he's perfect, I'm not saying he doesn't lie, I'm not saying he's the best candidate, but I think he means good for all of us and if you gave President Barack Obama a chance to improve our country which he failed at then you should be open to give Mr. Trump a chance. You might eat your words and be surprised that he was ACTUALLY a great president.


I'm not sure why you think I've given Obama a chance. First of all, I wasn't even old enough to vote in the last election. Second, I never once liked Obama as a president. I've been skeptical of politicians since I was little and I've never liked either choices that the two major parties present us with. I remember 8 years seeing so many people chanting "hope" and "change" everywhere. Once Obama took office, there was no change other than having a black guy in the White House for once. 4 years later, Obama wasn't as popular as he was before but he still won because voters focused on voting for who they believed was the lesser of two evils between him and Romney. During the 2014 midterm elections, democrats up for reelection were scared of being associated with Obama.

I'm not surprised at all that people are disappointed with Obama and want to vote for someone who represents something different, but there's no way Trump can unify people. His entire campaign is about alienating anyone who isn't a white male. He mocks women for having periods. He says illegal immigrants are killing and raping us. He wants to ban people from entering the country based on their religion. He says China is stealing jobs from us, even though he's happily giving them jobs and all his clothes and campaign merchandise are made in China. As I said in my previous post, Trump uses people as scapegoats for all our problems. What's really ironic is that the people who complained Obama was too divisive are now eagerly voting for a man who's running on a platform of dividing people. This guy repeatedly tells people to fight each other.

Trump certainly tells his loyal followers what they want to hear, but he doesn't say what they don't want to hear. He always says he's going to make America great again. He's going to bring jobs back from overseas. He's going to end illegal immigration. He's going to make our military the strongest in the world (it already is). We're going to win win win at everything. He makes sure to ignore all the laws and practical limitations that get in the way of that because he knows his followers don't want to hear that.

The only possible way Trump can ever be a great president is if he reveals this was all just a giant act and starts proposing realistic solutions that aren't based on an "us vs. them" mentality.


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I honestly don't like hackers of any kind, but anything to stop that idiot from becoming president, I'm ok with. He's as much of a plague as those Kardashians


If we're not careful, we might actually end up with a Kardashian as our First Lady. If Trump can be taken seriously, then so can Kanye 2020.


well, this is a forum so there's no way i'll know every little aspect of what you intend to portray through words here so that being said. I still respect your opinion. I'm glad that everyone here loves hackers who love to cause havoc in to other people''s private world's to get at Mr. Trump...really says a whole lot about you.

Again, we're living in a world where if we don't do something about it other countries or groups will annihilate us. Your freedom will mean shit since they want to cut your heads off or best case scenario divide us. I know you hate Mr. Trump byall means and nothing will make you change your mind because outside sources like the media and things he says but there's a reason to everything and by all means never always judge a book by it's cover. I think that Americans are afraid of good change since we're so accustomed to leaders who betray and lie to us. I believe you have to see the bigger picture, who do you think has the ability to unite people? Who do you think can get us to have the greatest economy we have ever seen even it means stepping over a few toes? It's time to bring out your balls and guts to the table and make sure that your country is yours and nobody elses regardless of the consequences.
Posted 3/18/16
Considering anyone can claim to be Anonymous and do whatever they want it's not really surprising.
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Posted 3/19/16

bethos30 wrote:

well, this is a forum so there's no way i'll know every little aspect of what you intend to portray through words here so that being said. I still respect your opinion. I'm glad that everyone here loves hackers who love to cause havoc in to other people''s private world's to get at Mr. Trump...really says a whole lot about you.


Not to sound rude or anything, but I think you're coming up with strange assumptions about me out of nowhere. There was nothing in any of posts that implied I supported Obama. Criticizing Trump has nothing to do with liking Obama so I have no idea how you made that connection. Now you think that just because I don't like Trump, I support hacking into his computer? The only thing I've said about Anonymous so far is that they're not a unified group. Please don't make assumptions out of thin air.


Again, we're living in a world where if we don't do something about it other countries or groups will annihilate us. Your freedom will mean shit since they want to cut your heads off or best case scenario divide us. I know you hate Mr. Trump byall means and nothing will make you change your mind because outside sources like the media and things he says but there's a reason to everything and by all means never always judge a book by it's cover.


The solution to violence and division isn't more violence and division. That's actually how our country gets weaker. Turning our own citizens against each other is no way for a leader to act and it only puts us in more danger. Perhaps this is just a difference in philosophy, but I can't see how discriminating against people will make them less likely to want to fight back.

I'm not judging Trump by his cover. If I did, I'd actually believe he's serious about what he says, which would scare me since I don't want our country to go back to treating its own people as second-class citizens based on the way they were born or what they believe in. Trump has spent his entire career being a con man. Because of that, I'm confident he's trolling everyone and he's not serious about the hazardous policies he proposes. I'm actually more disturbed by the amount of people who are too overwhelmed by their own rage to realize all of the ideas Trump is telling them are counterproductive.


I think that Americans are afraid of good change since we're so accustomed to leaders who betray and lie to us. I believe you have to see the bigger picture, who do you think has the ability to unite people? Who do you think can get us to have the greatest economy we have ever seen even it means stepping over a few toes? It's time to bring out your balls and guts to the table and make sure that your country is yours and nobody elses regardless of the consequences.


It's not good change I'm afraid of. It's bad change. If someone is saying they want to go back in time and bring back all of the horrible policies we've long since abolished, I wouldn't want them anywhere near the Oval Office. The good thing about Trump, as ironic as this is, is that he has a habit of saying something one day and then saying something entirely different the very next day. This should make it easy to spot inconsistencies and know when he's lying. Like I said, he cons people so I don't take his words seriously. It's when other people take him seriously that concerns me. Especially when he's inciting violence or encouraging xenophobia. I don't believe Trump means everything he says, but that leaves me puzzled as to what his end game will be if he somehow does become president. Most of his "solutions" are either illegal or things that society widely finds unacceptable and will likely not allow. Worst case scenario: he still keeps telling everyone to blame each other for all of the world's problems but never gets anything done since everyone in Congress hates him and our allies won't go anywhere near him. The best case scenario is a mystery, but given his history of terrible business decisions and buying politicians, he doesn't leave much room for optimism.

As for your questions about who I think can unite people and fix the economy, that's difficult to answer. The only major candidate still in the race that isn't so divisive is Bernie Sanders, but the republicans keep calling him a communist. Even so, he's the only candidate left saying everyone should stand up against the corruption on Wall Street and he doesn't tell anyone to blame innocent people for everything.

The economy is doomed no matter who wins. Bernie's plans are just way too expensive and would double the national debt, even if he raises taxes on the rich, which could easily backfire since businesses would have a harder time hiring people if they have less money to pass around. Hillary probably won't increase the debt that much, but she'll no doubt spend a lot of money on an extreme anti-gun, pro-surveillance agenda. The idea of having the most corrupt woman in American politics as our president is a nightmare that has even the democrats split. She and Ted Cruz would almost certainly increase spending on our oversized military. Cruz also has an extreme agenda, but on the opposite end of the spectrum so that's frightening as well. Trump has business experience, but the only thing he's learned with that experience is how to save all the money for himself and leave everyone else eating crumbs. I wouldn't want to leave our economy in the hands of a man who's had 4 bankruptcies and at one point billions of dollars of debt. There's also the fact that he's trying to make enemies out of our closest trading partners, which would no doubt cripple our economy even further. The only candidate who ever tried cutting wasteful spending and had a plan for a balanced budget and to put more money back into the hands of poor and middle class families was Rand Paul, but he's out since the GOP prefers a circus show rather than substantive and pragmatic policies.

Sorry for the long reply. I just felt the need to address some misunderstandings and answer your questions as thorough as I could without deviating from the topic too much.
Posted 3/19/16 , edited 3/19/16

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bethos30 wrote:

well, this is a forum so there's no way i'll know every little aspect of what you intend to portray through words here so that being said. I still respect your opinion. I'm glad that everyone here loves hackers who love to cause havoc in to other people''s private world's to get at Mr. Trump...really says a whole lot about you.


Not to sound rude or anything, but I think you're coming up with strange assumptions about me out of nowhere. There was nothing in any of posts that implied I supported Obama. Criticizing Trump has nothing to do with liking Obama so I have no idea how you made that connection. Now you think that just because I don't like Trump, I support hacking into his computer? The only thing I've said about Anonymous so far is that they're not a unified group. Please don't make assumptions out of thin air.


Again, we're living in a world where if we don't do something about it other countries or groups will annihilate us. Your freedom will mean shit since they want to cut your heads off or best case scenario divide us. I know you hate Mr. Trump byall means and nothing will make you change your mind because outside sources like the media and things he says but there's a reason to everything and by all means never always judge a book by it's cover.


The solution to violence and division isn't more violence and division. That's actually how our country gets weaker. Turning our own citizens against each other is no way for a leader to act and it only puts us in more danger. Perhaps this is just a difference in philosophy, but I can't see how discriminating against people will make them less likely to want to fight back.

I'm not judging Trump by his cover. If I did, I'd actually believe he's serious about what he says, which would scare me since I don't want our country to go back to treating its own people as second-class citizens based on the way they were born or what they believe in. Trump has spent his entire career being a con man. Because of that, I'm confident he's trolling everyone and he's not serious about the hazardous policies he proposes. I'm actually more disturbed by the amount of people who are too overwhelmed by their own rage to realize all of the ideas Trump is telling them are counterproductive.


I think that Americans are afraid of good change since we're so accustomed to leaders who betray and lie to us. I believe you have to see the bigger picture, who do you think has the ability to unite people? Who do you think can get us to have the greatest economy we have ever seen even it means stepping over a few toes? It's time to bring out your balls and guts to the table and make sure that your country is yours and nobody elses regardless of the consequences.


It's not good change I'm afraid of. It's bad change. If someone is saying they want to go back in time and bring back all of the horrible policies we've long since abolished, I wouldn't want them anywhere near the Oval Office. The good thing about Trump, as ironic as this is, is that he has a habit of saying something one day and then saying something entirely different the very next day. This should make it easy to spot inconsistencies and know when he's lying. Like I said, he cons people so I don't take his words seriously. It's when other people take him seriously that concerns me. Especially when he's inciting violence or encouraging xenophobia. I don't believe Trump means everything he says, but that leaves me puzzled as to what his end game will be if he somehow does become president. Most of his "solutions" are either illegal or things that society widely finds unacceptable and will likely not allow. Worst case scenario: he still keeps telling everyone to blame each other for all of the world's problems but never gets anything done since everyone in Congress hates him and our allies won't go anywhere near him. The best case scenario is a mystery, but given his history of terrible business decisions and buying politicians, he doesn't leave much room for optimism.

As for your questions about who I think can unite people and fix the economy, that's difficult to answer. The only major candidate still in the race that isn't so divisive is Bernie Sanders, but the republicans keep calling him a communist. Even so, he's the only candidate left saying everyone should stand up against the corruption on Wall Street and he doesn't tell anyone to blame innocent people for everything.

The economy is doomed no matter who wins. Bernie's plans are just way too expensive and would double the national debt, even if he raises taxes on the rich, which could easily backfire since businesses would have a harder time hiring people if they have less money to pass around. Hillary probably won't increase the debt that much, but she'll no doubt spend a lot of money on an extreme anti-gun, pro-surveillance agenda. The idea of having the most corrupt woman in American politics as our president is a nightmare that has even the democrats split. She and Ted Cruz would almost certainly increase spending on our oversized military. Cruz also has an extreme agenda, but on the opposite end of the spectrum so that's frightening as well. Trump has business experience, but the only thing he's learned with that experience is how to save all the money for himself and leave everyone else eating crumbs. I wouldn't want to leave our economy in the hands of a man who's had 4 bankruptcies and at one point billions of dollars of debt. There's also the fact that he's trying to make enemies out of our closest trading partners, which would no doubt cripple our economy even further. The only candidate who ever tried cutting wasteful spending and had a plan for a balanced budget and to put more money back into the hands of poor and middle class families was Rand Paul, but he's out since the GOP prefers a circus show rather than substantive and pragmatic policies.

Sorry for the long reply. I just felt the need to address some misunderstandings and answer your questions as thorough as I could without deviating from the topic too much.


Yep, incredibly lengthy. Funny how people think the longer they write in their post the better their topics come across even after quoting stuff someone has put on. It's pretty funny how that never really works. You have your views and I have mind. And, no matter what you think about politics whether it be what they did or what they plan to do you really don't know the result and even those fancy statistics from the infallible organizations like the FBI or other government agencies will always point you to the right direction(laughs) those statistics are a fucking joke.

If you voted for presidents as before you already know that most of them don't do what they promise do and that includes Mr. Trump and Mr. Sanders. Nuff said.

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Posted 3/19/16
Some people are planning on using Trump as a hand grenade to blow up the political process.

I wouldn't mind seeing it destroyed myself, so we can have a do-over.

I'd probably not vote. But if I do...........
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I think you (and many others) lack understanding of what Anonymous is. It's already a stretch to label them as a group. More accurately they would be many smaller groups who may or may not be related. They may not even work toward the same goal. Politics, black hats, white hats, grey hats, activism... the only requirement to be Anonymous is to be well... anonymous. It's a banner more than it is an identity.



So they're acting in small groups and have different goals. They're still cyber terrorist criminals.
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Posted 3/20/16 , edited 3/20/16
Anonymous is hardly organised, regardless of whatever shit is going on. There's discord because Anonymous barely qualifies as an organization. I daresay that it isn't one, even. A bunch of random hackers who loosely identify with a movie icon, without true leadership and goals. More of a bunch of ragtag gangs made up of vigilantes and and a few handfuls of cyber terrorists.


I remember when a douchebag used them to gain access to the private info of PS3 customers about five years back. Undoubtedly, there are other infiltrators.


To be honest; I think alot of the members are in it for their fifteen minutes of fame.
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Anonymous is hardly organised, regardless of whatever shit is going on. There's discord because Anonymous barely qualifies as an organization. I daresay that it isn't one, even. A bunch of random hackers who loosely identify with a movie icon, without true leadership andgoals. More of a bunch of ragtag gangs made up of vigilantes and and a few handfuls of cyber terrorists.


I remember when a douchebag used them to gain access to the private info of PS3 customers about five years back. Undoubtedly, there are other infiltrators.


To be honest; I think alot of the nembers are in it for their fifteen minutes of fame.


I just got my PS3 game voucher from Sony a couple of days ago from that class action lawsuit some lawyers cashed in with after the break-in you've mentioned.

LOL one lousy voucher for an obscure game I've never heard of... I probably won't even remember to activate it...
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Look, I'm just an average working class guy. And what with this economy, taxes, uhh... pork barrel lobbyist federal reserve! The point is, you're taking money out of my wallet unless you vote Hilary!
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Look, I'm as much against Trump as anyone, but I really can't see why 'divisive' should be an insult. To be completely honest, very few things scare me more than entire nation united in homogeneous beliefs, ideas, feelings, actions, etc. Unity, to be honest, fucking scares me. Particularly when it's unity of Government -- you know, the thing that tells you what you can and can't do under penalty of forceful coercion. I really really don't want a situation in which a group of politicians decides what's 'right,' and then forces this state of affairs on the populace. I happen to think pluralism, diversity of opinion, or to put it simply, division, is a good thing. We need divisiveness. I have lots of problems with Trump, but his "divisiveness" is not one. I might even consider it a strong point. He's created a clear demarcation of the American demographic, and his "divisiveness" has taught me about America in a way that few politicians ever have. His divisiveness is to blame for this, and I welcome it.

Edit: Also, Gary Johnson 2016


I apologize for sounding mean...and it's not all of Trump's supporters but you know what this election has taught me so far about the American people?

That a certain faction of this country is stupid as hell, ignorant and would be still content to live in the 1940s with gassing everyone not white if they could get away with it. Not that Hillary is any prize and I sure as hell don't want a therocrat like Cruz in charge, but goddamn....I have never been seriously scared of getting my arse beat because I might disagree with someone.
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Some people are planning on using Trump as a hand grenade to blow up the political process.

I wouldn't mind seeing it destroyed myself, so we can have a do-over.

I'd probably not vote. But if I do...........


I don't want to vote because well....our system is so damn flawed, but at the same time, I don't want to feel guilty once the new Gestapo comes and gets me because I have a Hispanic sounding last name.
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Nogara-san wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:

Some people are planning on using Trump as a hand grenade to blow up the political process.

I wouldn't mind seeing it destroyed myself, so we can have a do-over.

I'd probably not vote. But if I do...........


I don't want to vote because well....our system is so damn flawed, but at the same time, I don't want to feel guilty once the new Gestapo comes and gets me because I have a Hispanic sounding last name.


I wouldn't be a fraction as concerned about Trump himself as certain people he attracts.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/noah-baron/donald-trump-isnt-hitler_b_8751676.html

Well.......... then again... people attracts people.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-14/ku-klux-klan-grand-dragon-will-quigg-endorses-hillary-clinton-for-president

Many know just how huge of a panderer he is, and ironically that's how they could vote for him.
http://time.com/4259372/donald-trump-muslim-supporters/
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