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Something I can't seem to grasp is the viewer ratings for anime shows.

I have watched entire anime's right to the end - ones whose ratings were near perfect scores. I go looking for ones very very similar to it to enjoy more of the same thing. Ones with very similar characters, premise and story arcs. Even the review ratings for both shows are almost identical.

Yet the new show is absolutely abysmal despite all this.

How is it possible for two shows that are near identical in almost every aspect, but polar opposites in quality but that does not reflect in their ratings?

I have learned in the past to never cite anime show names simply because people can get attached to them quite a lot and any negativity shown towards their favourite shows is almost always met with hostility. So therefore, I will not be naming names.
Posted 3/18/16
What anime you talking about? Quality is subjective, and stupid people are more susceptible to emotional manipulation, gaps in logic, etc.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

What anime you talking about? Quality is subjective, and stupid people are more susceptible to emotional manipulation, gaps in logic, etc.


As I said, I won't be naming animes as that is sure path to personal attacks against me, as I have seen in the past. (Not here mind you)
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It's all about execution and delivery. I mean look at all the magical high school battle harems, all more of the same thing but yet they differ in the way it's presented through its story and characters.
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Here is an example.

Make two animes. Both with romance, fantasy, school drama, magical elements, perhaps some mystical elements as well with a small group of school friends. Both with the same kind of art style, dialogue and animation.

Both are reviewed here with amazing scores. Yet one is flat out boring and dull and the other, it's polar opposite.

100% the exact same ingredients and reviews, yet are complete opposites in terms of quality. How is that possible?
Posted 3/18/16 , edited 3/18/16

mouseno4 wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

What anime you talking about? Quality is subjective, and stupid people are more susceptible to emotional manipulation, gaps in logic, etc.


As I said, I won't be naming animes as that is sure path to personal attacks against me, as I have seen in the past. (Not here mind you)


And you care because....

CR is pretty tamed in my opinion, especially compared to MAL. I experienced no problems with voicing my opinion on various shows, many of which are negative, without personal attacks.
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Posted 3/18/16

PeripheralVisionary wrote:


mouseno4 wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

What anime you talking about? Quality is subjective, and stupid people are more susceptible to emotional manipulation, gaps in logic, etc.


As I said, I won't be naming animes as that is sure path to personal attacks against me, as I have seen in the past. (Not here mind you)


And you care because....

CR is pretty tamed in my opinion, especially compared to MAL. I experienced no problems with voicing my opinion on various shows, many of which are negative, without personal attacks.


To be honest, you can apply that problem to any form of media entertainment. When you have been on the internet for as long as I have, you tend to get burned quite a lot and quite often.

I am happy to name shows in a positive light, as that almost never attracts negative (and sometimes even abusive) responses like when I say I don't like something. Shows like Say "I love you", From me to you, Kokoro Connect, Spice and Wolf which are all amazing shows. But any time I say I don't like anime X for Y and Z reasons... I tend to get bullied off the forum. All with the usual immature insults you usually find on internet forums. I am actually very new to Crunchyroll but not new to anime. That is only due to CR's rising popularity.

As for 'MAL', I am not aware of what that is.
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Posted 3/18/16

mouseno4 wrote:


How is it possible for two shows that are near identical in almost every aspect, but polar opposites in quality but that does not reflect in their ratings?


Imagine that you have never tasted ice cream. Even the cheapest brand would taste amazing.

It's the same reason why so many movies and shows aimed at children and teenagers can get away with being low-quality and still make money. The target audience hasn't experienced enough to know the difference between high quality and low quality. Good anime is like Pixar movies, bad anime is like those new Alvin and the Chipmunks movies.

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Posted 3/18/16 , edited 3/18/16

PeripheralVisionary wrote:

What anime you talking about? Quality is subjective, and stupid people are more susceptible to emotional manipulation, gaps in logic, etc.

Gaps in logic are only relevant in psychological, scientific, to an extent scifi, and to an extent historical genres.

The primary purpose of anime should be to amuse and entertain. You can't dismiss an anime's worth because they forgot to add in a character's specific ability to a situation. If you were entertained, job well done.

If a normal character starts flying for no reason in the middle of an anime without sufficient explanation, then yah, but if you mean small slip ups, then no.
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Posted 3/18/16

mouseno4 wrote:

As for 'MAL', I am not aware of what that is.

MAL = http://myanimelist.net/

This raises another factor in answering your question: Where are you getting the ratings, etc. for the series you watch?

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Posted 3/18/16

mouseno4 wrote:

Here is an example.

Make two animes. Both with romance, fantasy, school drama, magical elements, perhaps some mystical elements as well with a small group of school friends. Both with the same kind of art style, dialogue and animation.

Both are reviewed here with amazing scores. Yet one is flat out boring and dull and the other, it's polar opposite.

100% the exact same ingredients and reviews, yet are complete opposites in terms of quality. How is that possible?

This is an easy answer. You subjectively like one, and dislike the other.
There is no objectivity in evaluating entertainment or art, at all.
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Posted 3/18/16 , edited 3/18/16

mouseno4 wrote:

Here is an example.

Make two animes. Both with romance, fantasy, school drama, magical elements, perhaps some mystical elements as well with a small group of school friends. Both with the same kind of art style, dialogue and animation.

Both are reviewed here with amazing scores. Yet one is flat out boring and dull and the other, it's polar opposite.

100% the exact same ingredients and reviews, yet are complete opposites in terms of quality. How is that possible?

This is an assumption on my part, but I don't think anyone goes out of their way to rate analytically on CR. I certainly wouldn't use any data here with the expectation of it being useful evaluatively. Rating sites like MAL, Hummingbird, AniList, Anime-Planet, and others all suffer from score inflation but they at least give you a half-reasonable distribution.

If for no other reason than because they (especially MAL) pool from a huge and more representational sample of voters.



Picked randomly because it's a big show; CR doesn't even have 700 votes, MAL has almost a quarter million.


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There is no objectivity in evaluating entertainment or art, at all.

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Posted 3/18/16
I guess the biggest difference is that if you don't like something after having invested too little in it, you are not going to waste your time giving a negative opinion on it. Rather, you are just going to hit the back button and find something else.

On the flip side, if I happen to really enjoy X anime, and want everyone around me to agree with me, I will write a really great review in order to attain that goal.

The end result being, bad anime are simply missing the negative reviews because people who don't like it don't want to waste their time saying so and would rather spend it on something they enjoy. Therefore, only the positive reviews exist because people enjoy it and have invested a lot of time into it.
Posted 3/18/16
anime anime so many choices
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Posted 3/18/16
Anime was mistake, most shows are bad.
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