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Posted 3/20/16 , edited 3/20/16

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I like reading Manga that isnt anime / Manga that is adapted into anime

So I will give you my thoughts / People complain when the anime follows the manga and say the anime s garbarge when the manga is slowly building the Story

Then People complain when the anime strays from the mangas

Pesonally I think you got everybody riled up by touching on people's views .I see you are fairly new to CR . The forums used to be civil but there are a loy of flamers / idiots on here lately

But back to the subject at hand There have been a lot of original animes that havev fallen flat. Animes that have source material tend to do better,

BTW so many animes do end where the manga is ongoing and is kinda of a let down, But not so long ago a season was 24 episodes automatically.

A lot o times details missing from the anime are in the manga causing angst.

So Some Postive of Anime /Manga

Sales of the KONOSUBA and School Live increased greatly when the anime came out In fact School Live doubled it's sales and that is unique necause vthe Author was hands on for the Anime and changed things which work out well . I had liked reading the manga then seeing the changes ans say thar was brilliant..

3 anime which are co strories in Shouen Jump but have manga Chapthers also have anime that follow the Manga pretty close . It's neat to see it come to life and say that just looks cool/

The Three are Assassination Classroom / Haikyu!! and Food Wars.

Some people will debate If RWBY is an anime but the Manga is coming out. because fans want it print.

An anime rgat kinda failed nut manga was great

Coppellion a great sci-fi disaster which people dissed the anime because it skipped over manga material ( it wasnt that bad ) turned out to be full of twists and revelations to a great ending. Some people thinh the great Japan Earthquake deakt the story some damage especialy with the Nuke plants disaster.

I cant read all the manga and keep up with but it's fun to pick out a manga and say this cool and then gets adapted into an anime.

On your anime sub / dub I get tired of tha all the vtime as there has been so mant threads

I am likinf Finimsation's puuting out fubs of currentb shows in the sane season. I get the 4 week lag as even dong te simiual casts rquire good suns . Dubs need extra work
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Posted 3/20/16 , edited 3/20/16
If you're looking at the subtitles you're going to be missing visual cues that have been put there for you, and if you're listening to the dub you may miss out on wordplay that may not translate well into a foreign language. So either way you risk missing out on something, whether as a result of the limitations of one's language or as a result of what human attention can even realistically do. Both have their place.

I feel the same way about manga and anime, too: each fulfills a distinct but important need on the part of the audience. Smartphones have diminished the importance of manga's portability compared to anime, but manga still has the advantage of not needing earbuds in order to be enjoyed quietly in public places. Anime offers colour, motion, and sound to those who feel these are important to enjoyment of a story while manga offers the opportunity to have significantly more detailed imagery because its artists don't have to worry about the limitations of animation. Of course, there's a limit to the amount of detail even manga artists will put up with having to keep redrawing, but that threshold is higher than animation practically allows for. It is again a question of tradeoffs, and there is again no outstanding winner.

As for learning Japanese by listening to anime a lot, it's unfortunately not so simple. Japanese is a language that has to be listened to somewhat differently than English since Japanese allows putting parts of sentences that would follow a strict order in English into all sorts of different orders as long as particles are used to indicate which parts are which. Since a native English speaker naive to Japanese wouldn't know what particles are and wouldn't know to look for them since they don't have a functional equivalent in English trying to learn Japanese by watching anime hits a pretty important stumbling block at the very outset. If you can't get the rules of sentence structure down you're just going to be chasing familiar words in a soup of noise with no apparent timing pattern. There is also to consider that Japanese doesn't technically have a distinct future tense, instead sounding essentially identical to the present tense and relying upon the listener to know which is being employed based on additional context clues. There are things that just won't be picked up by listening to Japanese dialogue and consulting a dictionary or the subtitles for a translation. I'm afraid it's just not that simple.
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BlueOni wrote:
As for learning Japanese by listening to anime a lot, it's unfortunately not so simple.

Nobody, aside from very gifted people, are going to be truly learning Japanese by watching anime, or dramas, or movies (unless they are children). But that doesn't mean you can't learn a lot, depending on your aptitude for learning languages. It just takes time. I can listen to some audio dramas and understand what the character are doing and talking about, sometimes very closely and sometimes roughly. And I've not studied Japanese beyond learning kana.
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Posted 3/21/16
Both are good
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God damn it, OP!
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Posted 3/21/16 , edited 3/21/16

drninja wrote:
unless they are children

the whole idea that children can simply learn a language by watching cartoons alone is a myth.
yes, it might help in the immersion, but people often forget to consider other aspects which greatly contribute in the learning process as a child:

1. the target language is used a lot in their environment. for example, children in the UK will hear a lot of English, while the same kids in China will hear Chinese 24/7. there's just not escaping the language when going to department stores, theaters, etc with your parents.

2. they have fluent, native speakers (read: their parents, siblings) to correct them, so they can start learning the language on the right foot.
imagine having your own language professor, always ready to help you.

3. they are expected to learn the language. if someone asks them a question (that's reasonable), or otherwise asks for their opinion, they are expected to answer in return. they basically have the opportunity to practice spoken language as much as they want
(meanwhile, practice in a classroom environment is limited to maybe 10 minutes, though the actual time you spend speaking is likely far less)

4. unlike adults, they have a lot more free time to learn the language.
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drninja wrote:

Nobody, aside from very gifted people, are going to be truly learning Japanese by watching anime, or dramas, or movies (unless they are children). But that doesn't mean you can't learn a lot, depending on your aptitude for learning languages. It just takes time. I can listen to some audio dramas and understand what the character are doing and talking about, sometimes very closely and sometimes roughly. And I've not studied Japanese beyond learning kana.


I would believe that you have picked up and recognised vocabulary words with that level of study, and that from these vocabulary words you could form a very rough estimate of what's being discussed unless the conversation was particularly simple. For example, if you were to know from your exploration of the Japanese writing system and experiences watching anime/listening to dramas that (and I'm sure I'm breaking some hearts by putting this in English lettering) "hidari" means "left" and you heard it in a conversation one day I could believe you would think "Hey, they must be talking about an object, location, or person's relative position." If you know that "no" is a particle indicating ownership and you happened to pick up a "no" that was being used that way in a conversation I could believe you thinking "Hey, that must mean they're talking about some object that someone or something owns."

What I mean by a "simple" conversation, meanwhile, would be discussions built around very short exchanges involving few words. For example, a person returning from home would declare "Tadaima" (I'm home) and someone in the home would declare "Okeari nasai" (Welcome home) and that would be about it for the conversation. Maybe something a pinch more complicated, like "Tanaka san no uchi wa doko desu ka" (Where's Tanaka-san's house?).
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the whole idea that children can simply learn a language by watching cartoons alone is a myth...

I learned English by watching TV programs and movies and playing games, and I've heard many other people say the same.


BlueOni wrote:
I would believe that you have picked up and recognised vocabulary words with that level of study, and that from these vocabulary words you could form a very rough estimate of what's being discussed unless the conversation was particularly simple...

The following is a scene from a Hidamari Sketch audio drama that to my knowledge has never been translated. I've listened to it many times, but I've never gone out of my way to try to comprehend it in detail. Here is my casual attempt at a translation where I looked up four or five words. Since you presumably are fluent/good at Japanese you can judge for yourself if I have any idea what I'm listening to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7zsMrWZls8#t=5m54s (starts at 5 minutes and 54 seconds):

Nori: This one piece would fit you.
Nori: Pastel colored flower pattern... [something something]
Nori: It kind of looks like your style.
Nori: Here. Look in the mirror.
Nazuna: It seems expensive.
Nori: It doesn't cost anything to look at it [guesswork].
Nori: Look in the mirror. It suits you doesn't it?
Nazuna: [It's] Cute.
Nori: Ah, you mean yourself.
Nazuna: No, it's not me. It's the design, the color--
Nori: I know. I'm joking.
Nazuna: You meanie.
Nori: But it really does suit you. How much does it cost?
Nazuna: Let's see, the tag... it really is expensive.
Nori: I see. Too bad.
Nazuna: Let's see if it suits you.
Nori: Me? It's fine. I don't have money now.
Nazuna: This is pretty. This blue is you.
Nori: Ah, this is my favorite color. It looks like it has a boat neck cut.
Nazuna: It might be nice if this made you look more sea-like [guesswork].
Nori: Why sea-like?
Nori: When I was in a painting tools store earlier [reference to earlier scene], I saw this color. Cerulean blue. Then I thought: "I want to use this color to draw a sea-like painting."
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In my opinion the manga is better due to it being the source of the anime. On its own the anime is good since you are able to see the various nuances of the characters that the still pictures of the manga cannot convey, and in the case of action genre mangas you can see the fluidity of motion in the action sequences. However, the main issue I have with anime adaptations is when it strays from the manga source, I know that anime costs money to make and may be certain aspects of the manga will have to be cut or summarized to save on money. But too many times significant portions of the story lines or character backstory are removed or glossed over that it makes the overall story of the anime lacking in depth. Another issue I have with anime adaptations is when the studios take too much creative licenses with the manga's story that it diverges from the source material. An example would be Ikki Tousen the manga had a decent story and good enough character development and backstory, however the studio ignored all that and turned it into mindless ecchi anime. Basically, an anime should remain as faithful as possible to the manga and not let creative liberties overtake the source when the source material is already excellent, as the saying goes do not fix something if it is not broken.
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drninja wrote:



overall, nice guess at what they said. transcription of the scene:


Pastel colored flower pattern... [something something]
the "something something": ちょっとバルーンっぽくなっているとこ
spots that look a bit like balloons. by spots, i mean small portions of the garment.
so the clothes has floral as well as balloon-shaped decoration...seems pretty girly.

傘屋
× painting tools store
○ umbrella shop
i didn't even know they had shops specializing in umbrellas. then again, it's Japan, and they have to deal with rain quite a lot (so much, they even have separate expressions for different types of rain)



×It might be nice if this made you look more sea-like
I thought that you'd look lovely if you wore marine-like clothes such as this one.
when the character said マリーンっぽく, she probably meant マリーンっぽい服
マリーンっぽく could also be interpreted as "like a marine" (literal translation)


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×It might be nice if this made you look more sea-like
I thought that you'd look lovely if you wore marine-like clothes such as this one.
when the character said マリーンっぽく, she probably meant マリーンっぽい服
マリーンっぽく could also be interpreted as "like a marine" (literal translation)

I know they said マリーン, but it seemed like a vague term, and "marine-like" sounds strange to me in English. Although I guess sea-like sound strange too. A natural-sounding translation would probably have to be something more liberal.
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To me I like both of them but with the new animes especially the manga is cut off because of the production of the anime being "more popular" Keep in mind this is my opinon . But I like some animes over manga any day but I like how much more I can read in 30 minutes than a episode thats 24 minutes but I still do both regardless but mainly manga at the moment. Still my opinion just to keep that in mind Again to not to start anything Its my opinion Sorry for this just being sure its clear its my opinion on the matter and hoping no one takes it personally.
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Well, I guess you showed me.
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