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I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.


Perhaps in an ideal utopia. In the real world, there are still men (and women) with evil in their hearts, and sometimes nothing short of visiting violence upon them will deter them.

As they say, those who beat their swords into plowshares will do the plowing for those who did not.
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Well that certainly seems like a violation of hippocratic oath.
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Amauris_Arias wrote:

I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.


Perhaps in an ideal utopia. In the real world, there are still men (and women) with evil in their hearts, and sometimes nothing short of visiting violence upon them will deter them.

As they say, those who beat their swords into plowshares will do the plowing for those who did not.

Was gonna reply to the guy but opted not to. You explained it in a much nicer fashion than I would have. I agree, though.

Never heard of that saying before, but it makes sense.
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Amauris_Arias wrote:

I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.


Perhaps in an ideal utopia. In the real world, there are still men (and women) with evil in their hearts, and sometimes nothing short of visiting violence upon them will deter them.

As they say, those who beat their swords into plowshares will do the plowing for those who did not.


You right in there, but non-violence is the greatest force at the disposal of mankind. It is mightier than the mightiest weapon of destruction devised by the ingenuity of man.
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Amauris_Arias wrote:


outontheop wrote:


Amauris_Arias wrote:

I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.


Perhaps in an ideal utopia. In the real world, there are still men (and women) with evil in their hearts, and sometimes nothing short of visiting violence upon them will deter them.

As they say, those who beat their swords into plowshares will do the plowing for those who did not.


You right in there, but non-violence is the greatest force at the disposal of mankind. It is mightier than the mightiest weapon of destruction devised by the ingenuity of man.

Didn't we nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the end of WW2?
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Does it suck? Yes. Is it surprising? No.

These groups have lived nearly their entire lives as adversaries so they have serious deep-seeded reasons to not trust that the other person won't kill them. They have a history that's much bloodier than the US.

Heck, if it's ok in the United States for a police officer to shoot a little boy without asking any questions because they thought he might have a gun, then it sure as hell is okay for someone from the IDF (or any soldier) to take out someone they suspect of having a suicide vest.

Okay, but the medic probably just didn't like the other guy.
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:


Amauris_Arias wrote:


outontheop wrote:


Amauris_Arias wrote:

I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.


Perhaps in an ideal utopia. In the real world, there are still men (and women) with evil in their hearts, and sometimes nothing short of visiting violence upon them will deter them.

As they say, those who beat their swords into plowshares will do the plowing for those who did not.


You right in there, but non-violence is the greatest force at the disposal of mankind. It is mightier than the mightiest weapon of destruction devised by the ingenuity of man.

Didn't we nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the end of WW2?



We must develop and maintain the capacity to forgive. He who is devoid of the power to forgive is devoid of the power to love. There is some good in the worst of us and some evil in the best of us. When we discover this, we are less prone to hate our enemies.
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Amauris_Arias wrote:

We must develop and maintain the capacity to forgive. He who is devoid of the power to forgive is devoid of the power to love. There is some good in the worst of us and some evil in the best of us. When we discover this, we are less prone to hate our enemies.

I'd really love to agree with you. I really would. It's just not realistic. Violence is just a cycle. It has no clear start and while it takes only one person to end it, it also only takes one person to start it anew, again.
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:


Amauris_Arias wrote:

We must develop and maintain the capacity to forgive. He who is devoid of the power to forgive is devoid of the power to love. There is some good in the worst of us and some evil in the best of us. When we discover this, we are less prone to hate our enemies.

I'd really love to agree with you. I really would. It's just not realistic. Violence is just a cycle. It has no clear start and while it takes only one person to end it, it also only takes one person to start it anew, again.


I don't think anyone has found a way of eliminating thoughts of danger and loss. It's rather that, when they're unrealistic, you become an acrobat at marshaling evidence against them.

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hahaha I read that as IDE
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*rolls eyes* Really? Don't these pitiful anti-Semitic morons have anything better to do? All I see is a measly attempt to spread more of their bitter hate for Israel.
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Lets see... On one side we have the rich Jews Who get free money, guns and weapons, nukes ect from the US Goverment
and on they other we have Arabs who fight with nothing but twigs and rocks.
Seems like a fair fight to me....
Those poor oppressed jews....
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lxmarshall wrote:

Lets see... On one side we have the rich Jews Who get free money, guns and weapons, nukes ect from the US Goverment
and on they other we have Arabs who fight with nothing but twigs and rocks.
Seems like a fair fight to me....
Those poor oppressed jews....

Iran funds Hamas - where do you think those rockets (numbered in the thousands) pointed at Israel come from?
The Media is on the side of Palestinian terrorists (who do their utmost to maximize civilian casualties).
The U.N. is on the side of Gazan terrorists - they are more critical of one dead Palestinian than 10,000 dead Syrians.
When Israel left Gaza, the PLO took apart green houses left for growing food to make weapons.
Muslims live, vote, serve in Israel's army, not one Jew lives in Gaza (a pure, pristine, Palestinian paradise!) ...cause they would be dead.
Any Gazan who speaks in favour of peace with Israel is killed, Homosexual? Killed. Wear a bikini? Killed - but not in Israel.
Gaza's economy was booming ...well before commencing their racist war and bombing campaign (forcing Israel to close the border, putting Palestinians out of work); western funds have been squandered by their leaders (Arafat's wife is RICH) and used to buy weapons - they and their western enablers are to blame for Palestinian poverty, not Israel.

The support of Islamic terrorists remains strong, even in this forum ...with that their genocidal war can continue apace! If Gaza puts down their weapons, there will be peace tomorrow; if Israel puts down their weapons, they will ALL be slaughtered. Well, that's what the Muslims of Gaza stated, but hey they might be kidding! Worth a shot ...unless one is a Jew.
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Posted 3/27/16 , edited 3/27/16
Right that 'rich' medic (US medics make around 25K a year, hardly a fortune), who may or may not be Jewish, wait you mean there are not Jews in the IDF shocking, dealing with what he believed as a threat to buddies.

After watching others blow themselves up after surrendering, why take the chance. The medic's only fault is someone got it on film.

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