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Outage In Stardew Valley Over Using Mods To Alter Race
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Posted 3/30/16

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Why should a person care if it is easy? I don't see the bodily harm in all this nor a "reason" to prevent minors from using it, much less fully grown adults.


What concerns me is the growing trend toward Orwellian "thoughtcrime." You didn't do anything or hurt anyone, but you were THINKING bad things.
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And this is why I want to climb a clock tower with Cassandra in hand, what is wrong with you human race?


can you take my life to nobody loves me


Tell ya what if you can make me hate the rest of humanity enough I'll consider it.
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You don't have to download the mods if you don't want to, so why is this a problem?


I mean theres something a bit iffy about whitewashing a character in the fan material. Kinda reflects badly on the modder.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Why should a person care if it is easy? I don't see the bodily harm in all this nor a "reason" to prevent minors from using it, much less fully grown adults.


What concerns me is the growing trend toward Orwellian "thoughtcrime." You didn't do anything or hurt anyone, but you were THINKING bad things.


Of all of Orwells predictions I honestly the "thoughtcrimes" are the least likely to come true.
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I mean there's something a bit iffy about whitewashing a character in the fan material. Kinda reflects badly on the modder.


How so? I mean would it offend you if the mod in question made the character look more African as well?
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megahobbit wrote:



I mean there's something a bit iffy about whitewashing a character in the fan material. Kinda reflects badly on the modder.


How so? I mean would it offend you if the mod in question made the character look more African as well?


No because context matters we live in a world were there were decades upon decades of characters being whitewashed were the same can not be said about other races.
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Posted 3/30/16 , edited 3/30/16

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I mean theres something a bit iffy about whitewashing a character in the fan material. Kinda reflects badly on the modder.


I honestly don't see why it reflects any worse on the modder than making a mod for a Batman game to give him a red Batmobile.

I can see why people might THINK worse things of him. You might think that by altering Maru's skin colour, he is trying to erase the existence of black or mixed-race people in the game. But that is YOU making up in your head what you THINK the modder was making up in HIS head. And you can't blame someone else for something you made up in your head.

Now, you could ASK him what he was thinking when he made this, but the answer is probably every bit as racist as 'I wanted my Batmobile to be red." What makes the Batmobile, you know, the Batmobile... isn't what colour it is. The colour is just a trivial external detail and a matter of taste. What the modder probably wants is someone with Maru's personality and hairstyle and manner of dress, but with a slightly different skin colour - a trivial external detail, a matter of taste.

When you ignore her personality, her hairstyle, her manner of dress, and reduce her instead to "the only non-white option?"

THAT seems racist. THAT seems like you're saying "skin colour is the most important part of this character."

But that's not what you're saying. What you're saying is that you don't believe the modder sees skin as a trivial external detail. You believe he sees it as the most important part of the character.

Except... why do you think that? Why is it so hard to believe that the modder doesn't think skin colour is a big deal?

The answer is in YOUR head. I don't know what it is, but it reflects a lot more on you than it does on the modder.
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Posted 3/30/16 , edited 3/30/16

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megahobbit wrote:

I mean theres something a bit iffy about whitewashing a character in the fan material. Kinda reflects badly on the modder.


I honestly don't see why it reflects any worse on the modder than making a mod for a Batman game to give him a red Batmobile.

I can see why people might THINK worse things of him. You might think that by altering Maru's skin colour, he is trying to erase the existence of black or mixed-race people in the game. But that is YOU making up in your head what you THINK the modder was making up in HIS head. And you can't blame someone else for something you made up in your head.

Now, you could ASK him what he was thinking when he made this, but the answer is probably every bit as racist as 'I wanted my Batmobile to be red." What makes the Batmobile, you know, the Batmobile... isn't what colour it is. The colour is just a trivial external detail and a matter of taste. What the modder probably wants is someone with Maru's personality and hairstyle and manner of dress, but with a slightly different skin colour - a trivial external detail, a matter of taste.

When you ignore her personality, her hairstyle, her manner of dress, and reduce her instead to "the only non-white option?"

THAT seems racist. THAT seems like you're saying "skin colour is the most important part of this character."

But that's not what you're saying. What you're saying is that you don't believe the modder sees skin as a trivial external detail. You believe he sees it as the most important part of the character.

Except... why do you think that? Why is it so hard to believe that the modder doesn't think skin colour is a big deal?

The answer is in YOUR head. I don't know what it is, but it reflects a lot more on you than it does on the modder.


False equivalence the post.
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Posted 3/30/16 , edited 3/30/16

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No because context matters we live in a world were there were decades upon decades of characters being whitewashed were the same can not be said about other races.


Wow, and people accuse me of being a SJW. That's your issue with it, geez mate you need help if that is what offends your sensibilities.
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No because context matters we live in a world were there were decades upon decades of characters being whitewashed were the same can not be said about other races.


Wow, and people accuse me of being a SJW. That's your issue with it, geez mate you need help if that is what offends your sensibilities.


Honestly im not really up in arms about this I just said it made the modder look a bit "iffy". On a scale of "major issues" this is incredibly minuscule.
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Posted 3/30/16 , edited 4/1/16

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Honestly im not really up in arms about this I just said it made the modder look a bit "iffy". On a scale of "major issues" this is incredibly minuscule.


One ignores minuscule issues, one does not make a grand public declaration of them by posting them in cyberspace.
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megahobbit wrote:



Honestly im not really up in arms about this I just said it made the modder look a bit "iffy". On a scale of "major issues" this is incredibly minuscule.


One ignores minuscule issues, one does not make a grand public declaration of them by posting them in cyberspace.


I was just sharing my opinion not making a grand declaration.
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megahobbit wrote:

False equivalence the post.


That sentence no verb.

However, I will address the question of citing fallacies:

THIS IS NOT A FORMAL LOGICAL ARGUMENT.

It's not a question of logic and it does not have a logical answer. There is no objective true or false in this matter. You are misapplying the tools of rhetoric.
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megahobbit wrote:

False equivalence the post.


That sentence no verb.

However, I will address the question of citing fallacies:

THIS IS NOT A FORMAL LOGICAL ARGUMENT.

It's not a question of logic and it does not have a logical answer. There is no objective true or false in this matter. You are misapplying the tools of rhetoric.


Look dude I really dont care im just some scmuck on an internet forum who is going to get dinner in a couple minutes so Im not really interesting in a formal debate.
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Look dude I really dont care


When one does not care about a thing, one tends to be uneducated and uninformed about it, and whereof one cannot speak one should be silent.

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