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Outage In Stardew Valley Over Using Mods To Alter Race
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Now this is just stupid SJW bullshit, and it is exactly these types of people who promote this type of idiocy that truly deserve the title of SJW.
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Man if you think this is bad,I can only imagine the response SJW's and Feminazi's would have if they saw my modded skyrim because the women have "unrealistic proportions".
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ThatSwedishGuy wrote:

In a perfect world, yes, I agree. I already sort of agree, there's nothing more or less wrong with any shade of melanin and one can choose freely. But we're still struggling with racism today


And part of that struggle is that you really, honestly, CAN'T alter a real person's race. A seriously HUGE sticking point that people just plain don't get about race is that you're not only born with it, but other people can see it, and you can't alter it ever. It's a part of who you are that gets handed to you, and on which you are judged, without your consent or control.

That's sort of a big deal. Pretending it's not is offensive. You can't be "colour blind" about race - the race a person is has instructed and informed their self-image throughout their lives, and if you don't take into account what their race is, you are denying a fundamental part of their identity.

But there's a line where you're not supposed to be taking it into account. And that line is a thorny sort of issue. It is not supposed to matter whether the paper submitted to a peer-reviewed journal was submitted by a black person or a white person. But at the same time, these two people had a very different struggle getting their respective papers submitted to the journal in the first place.

THESE are important issues. THESE are the conversations we need to be having, because they are real things that affect real people in their real lives.

The argument about a picture of a fake person in a game doesn't affect anyone. It's just mean. Some poor schmuck has such a pathetic, lonely life that it's IMPORTANT to him what colour his make-believe wife's skin is, and people want to point at him and scream "RACIST."

Those people do not get to say anything to me about tolerance EVER AGAIN. They lose their right to talk about it. This is just flat-out nasty. It doesn't help anyone and it doesn't educate anyone. They're just finding some weak person they don't like and beating up on him, because they can.
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cdarklock wrote:
And part of that struggle is that you really, honestly, CAN'T alter a real person's race. A seriously HUGE sticking point that people just plain don't get about race is that you're not only born with it, but other people can see it, and you can't alter it ever. It's a part of who you are that gets handed to you, and on which you are judged, without your consent or control.

That's sort of a big deal. Pretending it's not is offensive. You can't be "colour blind" about race - the race a person is has instructed and informed their self-image throughout their lives, and if you don't take into account what their race is, you are denying a fundamental part of their identity.

But there's a line where you're not supposed to be taking it into account. And that line is a thorny sort of issue. It is not supposed to matter whether the paper submitted to a peer-reviewed journal was submitted by a black person or a white person. But at the same time, these two people had a very different struggle getting their respective papers submitted to the journal in the first place.

THESE are important issues. THESE are the conversations we need to be having, because they are real things that affect real people in their real lives.


Like you said, it's a thorny issue about race, skin color, identity and society and how much one or more influence the others. And discussions about this is happening all over the place and have been for decades now. But this thread really isn't the place for that whole discussion because... well, it's OT as hell.


cdarklock wrote:
The argument about a picture of a fake person in a game doesn't affect anyone. It's just mean. Some poor schmuck has such a pathetic, lonely life that it's IMPORTANT to him what colour his make-believe wife's skin is, and people want to point at him and scream "RACIST."


But it does matter. Not as an individual case, no, and like I said, I don't like either side of this discussion because they are focusing on the wrong things. But our choices made in games and related to games do matter because like I said earlier, it reflects back on us and who we are. This person, who you called pathetic and lonely, is a result of society and is expressing merely what he has been taught (inadvertently in many cases) by society. It ties into what you said earlier and is merely a symptom of a larger problem and are therefor worth discussing.


cdarklock wrote:
Those people do not get to say anything to me about tolerance EVER AGAIN. They lose their right to talk about it. This is just flat-out nasty. It doesn't help anyone and it doesn't educate anyone. They're just finding some weak person they don't like and beating up on him, because they can.


Like I said, I don't agree with either side in this discussion. I think the subject matter and underlying reasons are worth discussing but the mod and person behind it and the consequent "outrage" are merely the start of the discussion, not the subject of it. But anyway, this is getting OT and spawned more from my gripes about the Internet in general than the actual thing the thread is about.
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I like that the thread title is "outrage" but the article says "debate" ;p



ThatSwedishGuy wrote:
But it does matter. Not as an individual case, no, and like I said, I don't like either side of this discussion because they are focusing on the wrong things. But our choices made in games and related to games do matter because like I said earlier, it reflects back on us and who we are.


Which I think is one of the underlying causes of why this particular topic is thorny. Whether intentionally or not, the developer made the entire cast of Stardew Valley predominantly white. Out of 35 human characters, only 2 are not white ( Demetrius, who is black, and his daughter Maru, who is half black ). So the game doesn't even have token diversity to begin with.

Hence modding out the only two non-white characters hits on a thorny issue. Which is far deeper than the game itself. While attempting to claim some sort of reverse racism with mods that increase the diversity just doesn't hold up. Saying its just a game ignores the entire context of why people find it objectionable to begin with.

Now, I don't think its worth giving a rats ass if some guy is sitting around going "Man, I really like Maru, if only she wasn't black!" and mods his own game. But when you post that through the official distribution channel / forum for the game and go "Hey I removed the only non-white people from the game" you can see why it might rub people the wrong way.


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Seriously, this is a thing people are getting upset at?

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ThatSwedishGuy wrote:

But this thread really isn't the place for that whole discussion because... well, it's OT as hell.


Then I'm going to discuss this one mod for one game, and issues that relate directly to that.


But it does matter. Not as an individual case, no


Then it doesn't matter. End of. I'm talking about the individual case, and the wider discussion is off topic.


This person, who you called pathetic and lonely, is a result of society


Wrong.

They ARE society.

People always seem to forget that.
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It sounds like they pulled an emma stone...
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