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I mean they don't try and hide that this is how the system works?

Also the primary election system is just something the parties do, so they can set the rules however the hell they want.

Hooray political parties \o/
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neugenx wrote:

You do realize not once in history has it been claimed that the Primary system is in the hands of the general public right? It's state delegates that cast their votes and always has been. The primaries are about the political parties choosing which horses they want to back in the race. It's their ballgame. Our votes don't count until November 2016 which we can vote for our choice on the ticket or write in our candidate of choice. Ron Paul's choice is "none of the above", my uncle's was always Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck.


Pretty much this. Political parties exist to put candidates into office. That's why a party's platform matters, not just the candidates that run under it. It's also why parties choose the candidates they will back. If you don't like it, don't vote for the person they back. Just know that in order for that to do any good, the candidate you DO vote for will need backing from somewhere else to stand a chance.


...and the ones that stand a chance will have to scratch those backs... the whole other half of the meaning of "backing".

Who has the bankroll? Banks. Whose backs gets scratched in the end? Banks. Whose rules gets bent so they could steal to their hearts' content?

Banks

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More than just banks. Lobbyists cover the whole spectrum of fiscal possibilities.
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That's only partly true. In most states, the entire body of electors is instructed to vote for the candidate that received the majority of the vote. Basically, each state's population votes, and said state then supports the candidate chosen by its own citizens.


That's what makes votes in a general election pointless. Your vote means nothing if you vote for a republican in a blue state or a democrat in a red state. The only way your vote matters is if you vote alongside the majority party. Otherwise the electors won't even bother to take your vote into consideration. It's either vote for the larger party in your state or don't bother voting at all. That's why purple states are such a big deal. They have the potential to swing in either direction. The problem is that those states only make up a minority, meaning the entire general election is ultimately decided by a few people. If the electors in every state made their choices based on every voter regardless of the state's majority party, everyone's votes would have an impact.


It's still not wholly pointless, imo. It kind of goes back to our roots as a confederation, and assumes that constituents have their own states' interests at heart, in addition to the country as a whole.
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More than just banks. Lobbyists cover the whole spectrum of fiscal possibilities.


True, I just consider banks to be in its own very special category of thieving scumminess in terms of scale and reach
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The US election system is an April Fool's joke.
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foraslan wrote:


PhantomGundam wrote:

That's what makes votes in a general election pointless. Your vote means nothing if you vote for a republican in a blue state or a democrat in a red state. The only way your vote matters is if you vote alongside the majority party. Otherwise the electors won't even bother to take your vote into consideration. It's either vote for the larger party in your state or don't bother voting at all. That's why purple states are such a big deal. They have the potential to swing in either direction. The problem is that those states only make up a minority, meaning the entire general election is ultimately decided by a few people. If the electors in every state made their choices based on every voter regardless of the state's majority party, everyone's votes would have an impact.


It's still not wholly pointless, imo. It kind of goes back to our roots as a confederation, and assumes that constituents have their own states' interests at heart, in addition to the country as a whole.


What if the state's (peoples') interests are not the party's interests? That's the whole thing that's going wrong here.
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nanikore2 wrote:


foraslan wrote:


PhantomGundam wrote:

That's what makes votes in a general election pointless. Your vote means nothing if you vote for a republican in a blue state or a democrat in a red state. The only way your vote matters is if you vote alongside the majority party. Otherwise the electors won't even bother to take your vote into consideration. It's either vote for the larger party in your state or don't bother voting at all. That's why purple states are such a big deal. They have the potential to swing in either direction. The problem is that those states only make up a minority, meaning the entire general election is ultimately decided by a few people. If the electors in every state made their choices based on every voter regardless of the state's majority party, everyone's votes would have an impact.


It's still not wholly pointless, imo. It kind of goes back to our roots as a confederation, and assumes that constituents have their own states' interests at heart, in addition to the country as a whole.


What if the state's (peoples') interests are not the party's interests? That's the whole thing that's going wrong here.


We were referring to the general election there, not the primaries.
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US voting system rigged?

Why, I'm shocked! Shocked I tell ya!


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There is no such thing as an honest politician, democracy is a sham, just do away with it and give us what we really have
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