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I'm a bit confused, based on the article all she did was try to join a terrorist group and dislike the US government? Did she commit any actual crime other than the intent of committing crime? I recognize she may be pushing into the harm principle of free speech but seriously people thinks she needs to die?

Is this not essentially a thought crime. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime). Doesn't the terrorist organization she wanted to join believe the same thing that we should be killed for our thoughts? I'm not real comfortable copying them.

I don't like what she says or what she is about, but I do not think its our societies best interest to start prosecuting people based on what they may do or what they may think. I could be missing part of the story but I personally like my criminals to have actually done something tangible before calling for their heads.


She had active plans to join a terrorist organization, and was arrested boarding a plane to Turkey.

It was past thinking, it was in action.


I can agree that's action, but still what crime did she commit? People can join the KKK which is a hate group without arrest, and the NeoNazi's. Both groups are hate groups that have harmed Americans why is she different? Keep in mind multiple people in this forum said her crimes where such that she should be put to death.


For starters, don't take the forum seriously. People saying she should be put to death does not mean she should be put to death.

I'm fairly certain that trying to aid a terrorist group is a crime.
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bobland wrote:


MattMiller wrote:


bobland wrote:


MattMiller wrote:

I'm a bit confused, based on the article all she did was try to join a terrorist group and dislike the US government? Did she commit any actual crime other than the intent of committing crime? I recognize she may be pushing into the harm principle of free speech but seriously people thinks she needs to die?

Is this not essentially a thought crime. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime). Doesn't the terrorist organization she wanted to join believe the same thing that we should be killed for our thoughts? I'm not real comfortable copying them.

I don't like what she says or what she is about, but I do not think its our societies best interest to start prosecuting people based on what they may do or what they may think. I could be missing part of the story but I personally like my criminals to have actually done something tangible before calling for their heads.


She had active plans to join a terrorist organization, and was arrested boarding a plane to Turkey.

It was past thinking, it was in action.


I can agree that's action, but still what crime did she commit? People can join the KKK which is a hate group without arrest, and the NeoNazi's. Both groups are hate groups that have harmed Americans why is she different? Keep in mind multiple people in this forum said her crimes where such that she should be put to death.


For starters, don't take the forum seriously. People saying she should be put to death does not mean she should be put to death.

I'm fairly certain that trying to aid a terrorist group is a crime.


I never take the forums too seriously, An aiding a terrorist organization would be a crime, but she was charged with the intent of committing the crime. I just figured someone should point out that the situation is kinda absurd.
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She should be punished for what she did. That being said I cant stand by the statements of "kill the bitch".


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I never take the forums too seriously, An aiding a terrorist organization would be a crime, but she was charged with the intent of committing the crime. I just figured someone should point out that the situation is kinda absurd.


Well, she's being charged with a conspiracy charge. That's not intent to commit a crime, its intent to commit a crime and screwed up somewhere between step 1 and 2 of committing said crime. Contacting undercover FBI agents to help smuggle her into Syria and getting caught at the airport committing credit card fraud to board a flight to join ISIS is the step 1-2 screw up here.

She wasn't just thinking about it, she was following through.



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That's one thing I can actually agree with you on.


If we're agreeing, you know the topic is really fucked up. >.>
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I hate that I live here in MS knowing this was going on. It is really making MS look so terrible now. I am ready to move now, Mom. No more waiting.

Her fiance did a great job brainwashing her. It takes a man to do that to a vulnerable woman. She was brainwashed by "LOVE" and not actually seeing wtf is really going on right now. She was blinded by love. That's it. Naive, vulnerable, and talented girl threw away her future for some guy who didn't care about her in the first place. And I thought that they respected women. Smh. Wow.

That's the scary thing about love. It really does blind you to many things. Unfortunately many people use this to manipulate others.

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MattMiller wrote:
I never take the forums too seriously, An aiding a terrorist organization would be a crime, but she was charged with the intent of committing the crime. I just figured someone should point out that the situation is kinda absurd.


Well, she's being charged with a conspiracy charge. That's not intent to commit a crime, its intent to commit a crime and screwed up somewhere between step 1 and 2 of committing said crime. Contacting undercover FBI agents to help smuggle her into Syria and getting caught at the airport committing credit card fraud to board a flight to join ISIS is the step 1-2 screw up here.

She wasn't just thinking about it, she was following through.



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That's one thing I can actually agree with you on.


If we're agreeing, you know the topic is really fucked up. >.>


That's very, very true....
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MattMiller wrote:

I'm a bit confused, based on the article all she did was try to join a terrorist group and dislike the US government? Did she commit any actual crime other than the intent of committing crime? I recognize she may be pushing into the harm principle of free speech but seriously people thinks she needs to die?

Is this not essentially a thought crime. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime). Doesn't the terrorist organization she wanted to join believe the same thing that we should be killed for our thoughts? I'm not real comfortable copying them.

I don't like what she says or what she is about, but I do not think its our societies best interest to start prosecuting people based on what they may do or what they may think. I could be missing part of the story but I personally like my criminals to have actually done something tangible before calling for their heads.

Terrorism is a crime. Regardless of whether or not she had already committed it, she was intending to.

Just as if someone reported you after hearing you (even jokingly) say, '[that] you could bomb the plane that you're on' to a friend (just in passing, again as a joke), they don't know if the intent is there or not, so they take it at face value.

It is, essentially, a thought crime, but, tbh, I also don't mind the double standard being applied in this particular situation.
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That is a sad and scary story. Unfortunately I don't think anything can be done for her, even though she was a normal student up until now and was obviously manipulated. But to say it's entirely her boyfriend's fault for brainwashing her is misguided, and to believe that she was the ringleader is naive.

To me it seems like the man hated his dad and wanted to do the opposite of whatever he preached, which was peace. The woman seems to have gone through an identity crisis. Both of them go way too far, and should face criminal charges (aiding terrorism, with a lesser charge since it they couldn't actually follow through).

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