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Ranwolf wrote:You know to be fair a lot of their current economic trouble does stem from trade embargoes we of the west imposed on them . If any nation these days had even half that kinda of crap imposed on them they'd be suffering the same issues. That includes you Americans you know, no nation these days is a island so to speak. No nation is capable of supporting itself.


guess why trade embargoes were imposed? exactly.
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Mico171 wrote:
. Honestly, NK makes national threats, restricts it's citizens, are far too strict with their laws, & (as evidence shows) are negligent to it's citizens. Specifically those of lower status.


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Ya know every single country is guilty of this to one degree or another..every single one. Mine included.


lol that's true. The script could be flipped on just about any country, really. Even the part about treating the wealthy better then the poor.

In the end, it all sums up to what people believe to be "Freedom".I think freedom is subjective. Whats freedom to us, could be restrictions to others. However despite all of that, it doesn't change all the bad that comes from North Korea. Specifically their rulers.

The rulers have a responsibility to it's people, yet they guide them down a stupid path of hate.

I can't find it at the moment, but there was this one documentary about an Eye doctor visiting North Korea.

He treated a major eye problem that was happening in NK, for no profit at all. Yet despite this, some of the patience stood up, & even swore to a photo of their leader to shoot the first American they're eyes can see. It was crazy. You kinda feel like they said it just because they didn't want any backlash from being treated by a foreign doctor, but it was still insane. A system that pressures people to hate is wrong.
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Lmaoooo I can't with you bro. xD
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even less respect for the way our country chooses to operaten.


And pray tell what do you mean by that. That the entire world must bow before the American way of doing things. That only America is in the right. Considering the very fact you lot trained and initially equipped the terrorists we are fighting right now I doubt the American way of doing things is anywhere close to the right way to do things.


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guess why trade embargoes were imposed? exactly.


The trade embargoes were imposed in response to US lead UN findings into North Korea's supposed development of nuclear and biological weaponry. And more so their refusal to stop development of it. And I say supposed development since no actual evidence of any intent to use the end products of this arms development in any aggressive manner has been found. And considering the western powers are developing the same capabilities it seems a bit hypocritical of us to deny North Korea to do as well. Not to mention their only real crime thus far is to tell the World at Large to go fuck itself. And since when has that been a crime?

Kinda funny that it's always the US insisting on these things is it not.. Kinda like they don't want any competition as top dog?
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"supposed development"
if we ignore the several launches by the North despite being pressured not to pursue nuclear weaponry and instead feed their citizens...ok.
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namealreadytaken wrote:

"supposed development"
if we ignore the several launches by the North despite being pressured not to pursue nuclear weaponry and instead feed their citizens...ok.


And why pray tell should a sovereign nation state be pressured to do anything? North Korea was feeding it's citizens just fine before the trade embargoes were imposed despite their spending on nuclear weaponry. Just like the United States is feeding it's citizens just fine despite like what 51% of it's national budget on not only nuclear weaponry but conventional arms and equipment as well.

What gives the US the right to use it's influence and power to dictate the affairs of other nations?
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people in NK were being fed with worms, and insects just fine.
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namealreadytaken wrote:

people in NK were being fed with worms, and insects just fine.


First off there is no actual proof that before the trade embargoes were imposed that North Koreans were suffering from a famine level economy. And secondly you still haven't answered my question. Why should any nation be pressured to bow before American backed UN demands when those demands are to remain weak enough to have to bow before American military might?

Is it against international law to be as powerful as the Americans these days? If so why was not the Soviet Union or China these days receiving the same level of American lead international pressure?
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are you even serious..?

anyway, maybe this interview will clear things up about N Korea...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc6LB9hCJ6I
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namealreadytaken wrote:

are you even serious..?

anyway, maybe this interview will clear things up about N Korea...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc6LB9hCJ6I


You owe me 3 minutes and 58 seconds of my life mate. You are aware the first of the trade embargoes were imposed in 1950 , nearly half a freaking century ago. The defector in the interview wouldn't had even been born yet. For crying out loud do your research before you try to take the moral high ground.
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Ranwolf wrote:
And why pray tell should a sovereign nation state be pressured to do anything? North Korea was feeding it's citizens just fine before the trade embargoes were imposed despite their spending on nuclear weaponry. Just like the United States is feeding it's citizens just fine despite like what 51% of it's national budget on not only nuclear weaponry but conventional arms and equipment as well.

What gives the US the right to use it's influence and power to dictate the affairs of other nations?


That's just it. The US has influence and power. What gives us the right? Nothing. It's not a fair world. Our power and influence doesn't come cheap, of course we use it. If it wasn't the US other powers would fill the vacuum. Maybe it would be better, or maybe it would be much worse. I don't agree with everything the US does. But it's easy to complain about the way things are, much harder to offer solutions.
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That's just it. The US has influence and power. What gives us the right? Nothing. It's not a fair world. Our power and influence doesn't come cheap, of course we use it. If it wasn't The US other powers would fill the vacuum. Maybe it would be better, or maybe it would be much worse. I don't agree with everything the US does. But it's easy to complain about the way things are, much harder to offer solutions.


Mate the solution is an easy one, the US sticks to governing itself and lets other nations stick to governing themselves. The UN was created to maintain a balance of power not to be the United States's enforcers. A balance of power is where all parties are equally powerful, that is not the case, hasn't been since hunting nazi's was an international sport.

North Korea, and indeed every nation on the earth has the right to be as powerful as they can afford to be. So what if that would put them on par with the US? And North Korea before the beginning of the trade embargoes starting 1950 couldn't even claim that . They were researching and beginning to develop nuclear weapons sure. But you have to remember this was a scant 5 years after the United Sates showed the world the power of atomic fury. Every nation even remotely capable of it was researching nuclear power and weaponry after that . Why North Korea was singled out makes no sense to me or I suspect anyone. Aside from it's openly anti-american positions. Though I suspect that had more to do with it's Communist ideology and America's refusal to allow any nation state be a communist one.

Though given the overall friendly trade relations with China, itself one of the only remaining communist powers that makes just as little sense to.
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Mate the solution is an easy one, the US sticks to governing itself and lets other nations stick to governing themselves. The UN was created to maintain a balance of power not to be the United States's enforcers. A balance of power is where all parties are equally powerful, that is not the case, hasn't been since hunting nazi's was an international sport.

North Korea, and indeed every nation on the earth has the right to be as powerful as they can afford to be. So what if that would put them on par with the US? And North Korea before the beginning of the trade embargoes starting 1950 couldn't even claim that . They were researching and beginning to develop nuclear weapons. But you have to remember this was a scant 5 years after the United Sates showed the world the power of atomic fury. Every nation even remotely capable of was researching nuclear power and weaponry after that . Why North Korea was singled out makes no sense to me or I suspect anyone. Aside from it's openly anti-american positions. Though I suspect that had more to do with it's Communist ideology and America's refusal to allow any nation state be a communist one.

Though given the overall friendly trade relations with China, itself the one of the only remaining communist powers that makes just as little sense too.


I don't think it's possible to have a complete balance of power. It's not as simple as the US just minding its own business. Someone has to fill the void and keep the peace. Should there be a truly independent international peacekeeping force? How would that work exactly? Who controls it? A world where all nations are equal and govern themselves in peace seems like a pipe dream. It's a nice thought but how would we get there and how long could it last?

I agree we should not be targeting specific countries simply because they have a nuclear program and we don't like them. It's hypocritical and seems to cause more harm than good. On that we can agree.
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There are plenty of Americans such as myself that would love for are government to stop sticking are collective nose in the internal affairs of other countries. But unfortunately Americans have a dangerous belief that all peoples in all times want are brand of life and liberties; and that it is are duty to bring it to them.
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I have no sympathy for the North Korean government. I feel bad for the citizens living outside of Pyongyang though. They could really care less about the struggling people outside of Pyongyang. All they care about is making sure that every citizen believes America is evil and that every single portrait of Kim Jong-il and Kim-II Sung are kept in tip-top shape.
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