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NUS tells LGBT societies to abolish gay men’s reps because ‘they don’t face oppression’
Nick Duffy 22nd March 2016, 1:09 PM

The National Union of Students’ LGBT Campaign has passed a motion calling for the abolition of representatives for gay men – because they “don’t face oppression” in the LGBT community.

The NUS LGBT+ Campaign discussed the issue at its annual conference, which took place in Sheffield this week.

At the event, delegates passed a motion that blames “cis gay men” for “misogyny, transphobia, racism and biphobia”.

It says: “Misogyny, transphobia, racism and biphobia are often present in LGBT+ societies. This is unfortunately more likely to occur when the society is dominated by white cis gay men.”

The motion continues to call on LGBT societies at universities – many of whom have dedicated reps for lesbians, trans people, bi people and gay men – to abolish the role for gay men.

It continues: “The reps system exists to ensure that societies committees can always have a reserved place for groups which disproportionately face oppression within the LGBT+ community.

“Gay men do not face oppression as gay men within the LGBT+ community and do not need a reserved place on society committees.”
It goes on to “encourage LGBT+ Societies that have a gay men’s rep to drop the position”.

The motion was passed – despite other resolutions at the same conference highlighting that men who have sex with men are disproportionately at risk of HIV, and disproportionately at risk of violence.

The NUS has recently been drawn into a row with gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell, who helped organise a rally outside NUS HQ last week to protest their ‘No Platform’ policy. The NUS denies no-platforming Mr Tatchell.


http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/03/22/nus-tells-lgbt-societies-to-abolish-gay-mens-reps-because-they-dont-face-oppression/

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Isn't this oppression
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Yeah I agree this is kinda stupid.
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Just in case people didn't know the progressive stack was absolute BS...
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I don't know how to respond to this.
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sundin13 wrote:

Just in case people didn't know the progressive stack was absolute BS...


This I would disagree with. But yeah NUS is being idiotic.
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megahobbit wrote:


sundin13 wrote:

Just in case people didn't know the progressive stack was absolute BS...


This I would disagree with. But yeah NUS is being idiotic.

Some of my problems with it:
1) The determinations of "oppression" through the progressive stack seem largely arbitrary, and typically relegate things that are the most important (class) to the bottom (and assume homogeny within groups).
2) The progressive stack seems to spit in the face of the idea that a person should be judged by the content of their character and not how they were born.
3) It is not a concept which creates equality in discussion spaces, it instead creates a one-sided discussion, which may run counter to the traditional narrative, but is still one-sided.
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sundin13 wrote:


megahobbit wrote:


sundin13 wrote:

Just in case people didn't know the progressive stack was absolute BS...


This I would disagree with. But yeah NUS is being idiotic.

Some of my problems with it:
1) The determinations of "oppression" through the progressive stack seem largely arbitrary, and typically relegate things that are the most important (class) to the bottom (and assume homogeny within groups).
2) The progressive stack seems to spit in the face of the idea that a person should be judged by the content of their character and not how they were born.
3) It is not a concept which creates equality in discussion spaces, it instead creates a one-sided discussion, which may run counter to the traditional narrative, but is still one-sided.


I think we had this conversation before...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv13gl0a-FA
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I think we had this conversation before...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv13gl0a-FA


I don't think we've spoken about the progressive stack in particular, just the idea of privilege (which I also think is fairly bullshit), though the two discussions certainly overlap quite a bit. I may be wrong though...
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sundin13 wrote:


megahobbit wrote:

I think we had this conversation before...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv13gl0a-FA


I don't think we've spoken about the progressive stack in particular, just the idea of privilege (which I also think is fairly bullshit), though the two discussions certainly overlap quite a bit. I may be wrong though...


Honestly its been so long ago I cant remember. Lets just keep this as a rare agreement on the NUS being dumb.
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I'm not even going to ask what "Cis gay men" are--Ae they gay men who aren't trans, and therefore aren't "as gay" as trans who...okay, I'm asking!!

It's just gotten to the point where Persecuted Groups R Us just want to use "Cis, boo, bah!" as a coverall term for the "majority" they see themselves against, and a quick easy reference point for "You have everything, we have nothing! "

And anyone who thinks gay men aren't "misogynistic", get into a discussion with one some time about why they think "Valley of the Dolls" or "Mommie Dearest" should be "cult" films. You'll hear some genuinely hair-curling stuff, I guarantee.
Or, just sit through a Tim Burton film. (Batman Returns, Dark Shadows, or even Big Eyes, if you dare.)
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Can I hug it D 8 ?
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lawd, these idiots humiliate the hell out of the sane people in the lgbtq community.
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wait are we all oppressed?
now getting depressive... -__-
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