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How do you feel about Transhumanism!
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So i'm a follower of a movement of sorts i'm a Transhumanist

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism


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Another tool for the government....
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Lets don are black shades and trench coats.
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TheUltimateTeaGod wrote:

Another tool for the government....


So you wouldn't get augmentations because you are scared of the government?
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This sounds pretty nifty.
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And why would this be a bad thing? It's about time humanity rose above its limitations.
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Ranwolf wrote:

And why would this be a bad thing? It's about time humanity rose above its limitations.


Exactly it's a good thing i mean i won't deny it has the potential to be misused (like everything) but it's an aim to make lives easier longer and more fulfilling whilst reducing stress on the world
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I would rather have super powers naturally
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I fully support this movement. It is part of the reason I am studying engineering.
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A natural progression of the human species. it is an extension of our minds power to shape human spectrum.
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Ravenstein wrote:

I fully support this movement. It is part of the reason I am studying engineering.


Massive amounts of respect...i'm going into studying programming because i enjoy it (Though i'm only a beginner) and whilst it won't help much compared to engineering i want to help.

Being able to study engineering requires a smart person something i don't think i could ever achieve.

I hope you and the others help the movement and bring a new world closer to us all ^^
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Isn't that technically happening always? Technological advancements that help us learn are always happening. I don't mean to sound ignorant or anything but I've never heard this term or definition before and I just wonder how it's different than what's already been happening for decades... or if it just describes that?
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You can't fix trash.
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I've been working as an engineer for over a decade.

Transhumanism is idiotic and cultish. I have one word to describe its "vision"- Crackpottery.

In the wider philosophical community, Transhumanism is derided for a variety of reasons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism#Debate (the section used to be titled "controversy" but my guess is some cult follower changed it to "debate" because there's really no arguing about just how awful it is)

I've written about this sordid subject in the past.

Singularity makes me puke because Transhumanism makes me puke. The short attention-spanned can check out some possible angles of the up-chuckage at Wikipedia. There lists some reasons why Transhumanism is one of the leading running jokes of the philosophical community. The even shorter attention-spanned can read the following.

Transhumanism Makes Me Puke -by nanikore2

I find the ideas behind Transhumanism yucky. It's the whole kookiness of it, as in Scientology, Dynetics kookiness. It seriously reminds me of the mass-suicide cult that waited for UFOs to take them all away.

Alright enough with the ad hom.

Replace self w/ machine: If we replace ourselves with wee bits of machines little by little, we would become practically immortals. I would not say "why" the concept is disgusting because it's not an issue subjected to reason. Sure, some people like to live forever, especially on their deathbeds. I would too, except I don't want to end up like a salt-shaker Dalek. Distaste aside, isn't it a fact that our brain cells do not get replaced by new cells?

The counterargument would be "the replacement would be functionally the same". This argument proves to be its own downfall, of course, unless one believes that we're nothing but packs of moving meat. If we're really just packs of moving meat then they could be replaced by packs of moving synthetic meat... right?

Cue the "p zombie" thought experiment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_zombie


A philosophical zombie,p-zombie or p-zed is a hypothetical being that is indistinguishable from a normal human being except that it lacks conscious experience, qualia, sentience, or sapience. When a zombie is poked with a sharp object, for example, it does not feel any pain. However, it behaves exactly as if it does feel pain (it may say "ouch" and recoil from the stimulus), but it does not actually have the experience of pain as a person normally does.


"If it quacks like a duck, flies like a duck, walks like a duck..." but isn't a conscious duck, then it's just something that takes an appearance of duck but isn't a duck at all.

You can have a great pile of turning gears and humming circuit boards, but it won't be anything living. You can build something that reacts to the environment without building anything living. Replace yourself with machines, and you would be committing suicide.

The entire notion of duplication of consciousness into a machine (e.g. "uploading" oneself into a machine) is also absurd. Sorry Star Trek transporter fans, but when you do a "move" operation on a group of data, what you're really doing is copying and then deleting.

No one will be "moving" their consciousness into a machine. They could theoretically be creating a perfect simulation (Let's ignore the fact that it's not even a copy for a moment and think of it this way... You can be standing right beside your "copy". Then which one is "you"? Surely, this "copy" isn't! What would you be doing then when you push the button to pull the curtains on the so-called "old you?")

This is really the very tip of the iceburg of my objections. Besides being distasteful and ridiculous, Transhumanism can be horrifically destructive as well. The old fogies among us can refer to Brave New World for inspiration while the young n' hip geeks who like Japanese stuff can look at The Vision of Escaflowne. (or even better- Vexile, which I consider to be THE representative anti-transhumanist Japanese animation... and let's not forget Neon Genesis Evangelion- Remember the "Human instrumentality project"..... Yes, the series is about a transhumanist organization which managed to destroy the darn world multiple times over)

Hopefully we can have Singularity redefined without all the Transhuman crap. Otherwise I want no part in it.

[edit: I will preempt some rotten tomatos by saying "on the other hand Transhumanism makes a pretty good marketing tool, provided that the majority of the populace does not share a distaste for it"]


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Pros
medical uses such as paralyzed, blind, amputees have a chance at being able to walk move and see maybe even hear and smell too eventually.
expanding human capability
maybe extending our lives (although this kinda balances between good and bad for me because it seems way too unnatural)
telekinetic type applications are really cool like that board game you move with your mind

cons

-people will use their expanded capability for various crimes. imagine someone breaking into your home with robotic arms you probably couldnt do much to stop them. this will lead to increased police brutality too and then eventually some kind of gov regulation similar to gun control.
-if people start relpacing all their healthy parts with machine ones that really gross somehow
-it will be used for war

im sure there is alot more im just really tired but i like the topic though.
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