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How do you feel about Transhumanism!
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Posted 4/3/16 , edited 4/3/16
A bad idea is bad. DarkFrostX, DarkSauax, and Nanicore sum it up pretty well.

Sure you can extend your life. It isn't you though. At one point it ceases being you and is another thing that shares your memories. Another HUGE issue would be overpopulation. I would rather not live in a District 9 like world. Despite what people think... Earth is not infinite. If we keep reproducing like rabbits, we will run out of room and making Cyborgs would just make that worse. You no longer need food (maybe), but you require some form of energy. Where will that energy come from?

To power a full robot off solar energy (unless HUGE bounds are made in the field) it would require him to be completely covered in it. If he is only part robot, he will still need food. Then the increased lifespan and overpopulation comes into effect. How will we feed the 1.2 trillion people living on Earth in 2XXX (date)?

The only thing I could think of having Transhumans being useful... Throw them in a deep space ship and send them a few million light-years away. Find a habitable planet and start colonizing. Lets start our own Star Wars. You could at least learn about deep space without having to worry about the issue of food/life on a ship trip that will take thousands of years at best.

Edit: This transhumanism stuff made me think of this. https://youtu.be/NBNpS8QqD_I?t=3m46s
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DarkFrostX wrote:

As someone who've studied Engineering I felt inclined to respond to this post,

Transhumanism is a cult, and an unrealistic fantasy.

I feel for anyone who goes into respected fields such as Engineering, Medicine, Or the Natural Sciences, thinking they can force some sort of synthetic evolution to occur are unrealistic and a little crazy.

They are not only delusional in my opinion, but they are also setting themselves up for a world of hurt when they realize that those fields are nothing like what they are portrayed to be in the movies..

Most Engineering jobs are rarely doing any research and development like that, chances are you will get a job improving the same technologies we've had for over a century, while sitting on your ass all day in a cubicle developing blood clots and becoming burned out on all the bullshit corporate rams down your throat.

Smaller niche startups usually get in to these kinds of fantasy based research, and they're no guarantees that such companies will even be around long enough to accomplish anything as they usually run out of money, I mean, not every company can sell bullshit and make a profit like Apple, (OK, I know! Bad joke xD ) Apple isn't all that bad lol.)

If you're one of the few lucky Scientist or Engineers who get to work at a big government grant backed R&D University or company, it's nothing like the movies, you will be working on teams, and your research and can span decades, you may be dead before anything is discovered, and even if you do discover anything, it may be proven to be trash later on. (typical science jobs I know, differences is they're actually trying to solve immediate problems using realistic approaches with the scientific method, and not dreamt up horseshit.)

It's waste of life in my opinion, work, live your life, then die and rot like the rest of us mortals, immortality and becoming omnipotent are two fantasies that are nowhere close to being a possibility.

Please for the love of "whatever" spear me the "They said the same thing about ____ Fill In the blank"

Yes many things were proven possible against all odds, however, if you look back at what was laughed at, those technologies did not exist beyond a lot of the scientific theories at the time.


EDIT: Yeah I know edited many times, I'm tired as hell and made so much spelling errors lol



", work, live your life, then die and rot like the rest of us mortals, immortality and becoming omnipotent are two fantasies that are nowhere close to being a possibility."

So basically i should probably just kill myself since i don't want to live and work a life if such goals are not attainable :P?

Now i suddenly has less reason to want to study may as well give up on university if you are correct :P

Well...i mean i am and can keep living on my pension so i will probably do that for the next 70 years if this is the case
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", work, live your life, then die and rot like the rest of us mortals, immortality and becoming omnipotent are two fantasies that are nowhere close to being a possibility."

So basically i should probably just kill myself since i don't want to live and work a life if such goals are not attainable :P?

Now i suddenly has less reason to want to study may as well give up on university if you are correct :P

Well...i mean i am and can keep living on my pension so i will probably do that for the next 70 years if this is the case


Ahh, stop with the sob story. It drives me up a wall. I have aspergers, clinical depression, anxiety disorder and OCPD too.

What I have learned about people like you is it is a cry for attention. Well, I gave it to you. Happy?

God you just made me toxic... I hate being toxic.

Edit: Also the OP makes a lot more sense now. It is a method of escape. Instead of trying to learn to deal with humans as a human, you want to become a cyborg so your programming will do it for you.
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Posted 4/3/16 , edited 4/3/16

Dark_Alma wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


DarkFrostX wrote:

As someone who've studied Engineering I felt inclined to respond to this post,

Transhumanism is a cult, and an unrealistic fantasy.

I feel for anyone who goes into respected fields such as Engineering, Medicine, Or the Natural Sciences, thinking they can force some sort of synthetic evolution to occur are unrealistic and a little crazy.

They are not only delusional in my opinion, but they are also setting themselves up for a world of hurt when they realize that those fields are nothing like what they are portrayed to be in the movies..

Most Engineering jobs are rarely doing any research and development like that, chances are you will get a job improving the same technologies we've had for over a century, while sitting on your ass all day in a cubicle developing blood clots and becoming burned out on all the bullshit corporate rams down your throat.

Smaller niche startups usually get in to these kinds of fantasy based research, and they're no guarantees that such companies will even be around long enough to accomplish anything as they usually run out of money, I mean, not every company can sell bullshit and make a profit like Apple, (OK, I know! Bad joke xD ) Apple isn't all that bad lol.)

If you're one of the few lucky Scientist or Engineers who get to work at a big government grant backed R&D University or company, it's nothing like the movies, you will be working on teams, and your research and can span decades, you may be dead before anything is discovered, and even if you do discover anything, it may be proven to be trash later on. (typical science jobs I know, differences is they're actually trying to solve immediate problems using realistic approaches with the scientific method, and not dreamt up horseshit.)

It's waste of life in my opinion, work, live your life, then die and rot like the rest of us mortals, immortality and becoming omnipotent are two fantasies that are nowhere close to being a possibility.

Please for the love of "whatever" spear me the "They said the same thing about ____ Fill In the blank"

Yes many things were proven possible against all odds, however, if you look back at what was laughed at, those technologies did not exist beyond a lot of the scientific theories at the time.


EDIT: Yeah I know edited many times, I'm tired as hell and made so much spelling errors lol



", work, live your life, then die and rot like the rest of us mortals, immortality and becoming omnipotent are two fantasies that are nowhere close to being a possibility."

So basically i should probably just kill myself since i don't want to live and work a life if such goals are not attainable :P?

Now i suddenly has less reason to want to study may as well give up on university if you are correct :P

Well...i mean i am and can keep living on my pension so i will probably do that for the next 70 years if this is the case


Ahh, stop with the sob story. It drives me up a wall. I have aspergers, clinical depression, anxiety disorder and OCPD too.

What I have learned about people like you is it is a cry for attention. Well, I gave it to you. Happy?

God you just made me toxic... I hate being toxic.



Then don't be toxic?
I'm just saying life is pointless if you can't go towards your goals (mine being Immortality and life extension)
That was my only reason for enrolling in college (which i just left) and living.

It's not worth getting a job and working to live if you don't enjoy life now is it?

Not that i need a job if others want me alive then they can keep me alive i'm not forcing them to or anything

EDIT: You are wrong i like being human i just don't see point in living a finite and short life (80 years is so short)

If you are going to live 80 years you might as well just live 30 or younger because life without a goal is pointless.
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Then don't be toxic?
I'm just saying life is pointless if you can't go towards your goals (mine being Immortality and life extension)
That was my only reason for enrolling in college (which i just left) and living.

It's not worth getting a job and working to live if you don't enjoy life now is it?


Then enroll in religion and kill yourself or get yourself killed. You are now immortal in the heaven/hell of your choice. You can even be a cyborg there if that is your dream.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escapism
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Then don't be toxic?
I'm just saying life is pointless if you can't go towards your goals (mine being Immortality and life extension)
That was my only reason for enrolling in college (which i just left) and living.

It's not worth getting a job and working to live if you don't enjoy life now is it?


Then enroll in religion and kill yourself or get yourself killed. You are now immortal in the heaven/hell of your choice. You can even be a cyborg there if that is your dream.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escapism



Religions are delusions and have no truth to them that is not immortality.
Biological immortality is something that should be possible...but there is also a higher chance of it not being possible but it's easier to be in denial then just giving up on everything.

Also i know what Escapism is i use it everyday to cope i'm fully aware of what it is i'm not stupid

There is a difference between stupid and lying to yourself or telling yourself the impossible is possible to avoid being empty and filled with negative emotions.
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Pros
medical uses such as paralyzed, blind, amputees have a chance at being able to walk move and see maybe even hear and smell too eventually.
expanding human capability
maybe extending our lives (although this kinda balances between good and bad for me because it seems way too unnatural)
telekinetic type applications are really cool like that board game you move with your mind

cons

-people will use their expanded capability for various crimes. imagine someone breaking into your home with robotic arms you probably couldnt do much to stop them. this will lead to increased police brutality too and then eventually some kind of gov regulation similar to gun control.
-if people start relpacing all their healthy parts with machine ones that really gross somehow
-it will be used for war

im sure there is alot more im just really tired but i like the topic though.


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I'm all for trans humanism.

I'm sure everyone knows that we are currently developing AI (artificial Intelligence) Now within 10 years we will have AI capable of thinking and coming up with new ideas in the field of science. People are probably thinking why? We have humans for that. Well we only have so many humans per field of science. Now imagine this, AI are going to be scientist that we can make and mass produce. Imagine having a million scientist per field of science sharing data with each other at the speed of light. The rate at which our technology would progressing will sky rocket us into a new dawn.

I give it 50 years till we are immortal. There are a few ways i can see this happening. The first being the tranhumanism where we replace our body with machines allowing us to live longer, now the only way for us to become immortal with tranhumanism would be if we transferred our self consciousnesses, memory's, and our way of thought into a computer like brain. Now with that done there is a whole new option for us to live. If our brains are computers we could then live inside virtual worlds. We could live in any anime, game, or make whole new worlds for us all to live in (preferably in the style of anime). This is what i want and will most likely happen.

Now there is allow gene editing and stem cell research that has been going on. Now i don't know much about either of those but they definitely have the potential to increase our life span, health, intelligence,and what not. But i guess this is also a form of tranhumanism but whatever.
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Suppose that the chances of clinical immortality are one in a million, then it would still be worth trying.

Surely we can do better for ourselves than the blind idiot god natural selection, which doesn't give two shits about us. We don't die at a hundred because it's impossible. There just isn't a way and a reason for evolution to do it. If we keep having kids at the same age, evolution will prioritize the first few decades.

We're shaped around preserving the genes that give rise to our shape, not around our own goals. So we should expect to be sub optimal. On the other hand we might not be up to the task.
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frightened at the concept

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Sounds a Bit far out there 9000 bits.

How about robot turn into human?

Supernatural powers with immortality.
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nanikore2 wrote:Transhumanism Makes Me Puke -by nanikore2

I find the ideas behind Transhumanism yucky. It's the whole kookiness of it, as in Scientology, Dynetics kookiness. It seriously reminds me of the mass-suicide cult that waited for UFOs to take them all away.



Okay, I'm in the Show-Me camp that says, "Nice word...Um, what's it do?"

"Someday we might be able to replace ourselves with cybernetic parts, that would redefine our sense of humanity!"
"Cool, where do I sign up?"
"Well, uh...we can't yet. But what if we were to alter our DNA and make ourselves more enhanced with animal DNA?"
"Great, like what?"
"Um, science still hasn't worked that one out yet. Still pretty much functionally impossible. But imagine the first generation to be raised on other planets!"
"Like Mars?"
"Yyyyyeah, after we work out the cold-sleep and bone-loss problems of a three-month journey, and a few decades of terraforming, which probably wouldn't take with planets that don't have active cores to create magnetic fields that retain atmospheres. But we could do it with closed environments?"
"Like Biosphere?"
"Yeah, I know the last one didn't work, but they're working on it."

(I don't reject optimism, I just keep it in reserve until it's worth wasting time on.)


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Lizard will give me magical powers!
Because he is a wizard!


"Hellllp, Mr. Wizard, I don't wanna be the Ghost in the Shell!"
"Dreezel, drazzle, dreizel, drome, time for this one to come home..."

My view on Transhumanism is: If you are content with what you have got, then you will not wish for what you have not.
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