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How do you feel about Transhumanism!
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Looks like someone's being playing Deus Ex recently
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I want to be a Gundam
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I'm not looking forward to a Gattaca-like society where the rich and poor are separated even more and a big rift in society is made. How would we do sports?lol
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It has its pros and cons like any other thing. We'll see
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RedExodus wrote:

I'm not looking forward to a Gattaca-like society where the rich and poor are separated even more and a big rift in society is made. How would we do sports?lol


good movie was so serious though i dont think i even laughed once
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So i'm a follower of a movement of sorts i'm a Transhumanist

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism




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Isn't this pretty much what humanism is?
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RedExodus wrote:

I'm not looking forward to a Gattaca-like society where the rich and poor are separated even more and a big rift in society is made. How would we do sports?lol


Or it'll be like Snowpiercer with rich people in nice cars on trains while everyone else is stuck in a shithole.
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the next stage of human evolution shall be by our own hands and not that of nature
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inb4 we look like dis
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Ryulightorb wrote:


DarkFrostX wrote:

As someone who've studied Engineering I felt inclined to respond to this post,

Transhumanism is a cult, and an unrealistic fantasy.

I feel for anyone who goes into respected fields such as Engineering, Medicine, Or the Natural Sciences, thinking they can force some sort of synthetic evolution to occur are unrealistic and a little crazy.

They are not only delusional in my opinion, but they are also setting themselves up for a world of hurt when they realize that those fields are nothing like what they are portrayed to be in the movies..

Most Engineering jobs are rarely doing any research and development like that, chances are you will get a job improving the same technologies we've had for over a century, while sitting on your ass all day in a cubicle developing blood clots and becoming burned out on all the bullshit corporate rams down your throat.

Smaller niche startups usually get in to these kinds of fantasy based research, and they're no guarantees that such companies will even be around long enough to accomplish anything as they usually run out of money, I mean, not every company can sell bullshit and make a profit like Apple, (OK, I know! Bad joke xD ) Apple isn't all that bad lol.)

If you're one of the few lucky Scientist or Engineers who get to work at a big government grant backed R&D University or company, it's nothing like the movies, you will be working on teams, and your research and can span decades, you may be dead before anything is discovered, and even if you do discover anything, it may be proven to be trash later on. (typical science jobs I know, differences is they're actually trying to solve immediate problems using realistic approaches with the scientific method, and not dreamt up horseshit.)

It's waste of life in my opinion, work, live your life, then die and rot like the rest of us mortals, immortality and becoming omnipotent are two fantasies that are nowhere close to being a possibility.

Please for the love of "whatever" spear me the "They said the same thing about ____ Fill In the blank"

Yes many things were proven possible against all odds, however, if you look back at what was laughed at, those technologies did not exist beyond a lot of the scientific theories at the time.


EDIT: Yeah I know edited many times, I'm tired as hell and made so much spelling errors lol



", work, live your life, then die and rot like the rest of us mortals, immortality and becoming omnipotent are two fantasies that are nowhere close to being a possibility."

So basically i should probably just kill myself since i don't want to live and work a life if such goals are not attainable :P?

Now i suddenly has less reason to want to study may as well give up on university if you are correct :P

Well...i mean i am and can keep living on my pension so i will probably do that for the next 70 years if this is the case



Kill your self for what?

I mean, if that's what you to do, it's your life mate, I just wouldn't do that.

Goals are personal achievements that we can change if we wanted.

If you want to cling your life to the possibility that one day you will be an Immortal God, then by all means do so.

I did say it's a waste of life "in my opinion" didn't I? Your life doesn't belong to me or anyone, if you think that the goals of Transhumanism are obtainable, (despite evidence to the contrary) then the sky is your limit my friend, or in your case, they are no limits lol
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Great, now everyone needs a full cyber security suit for their brain!
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DarksirenxX wrote:

Pros
medical uses such as paralyzed, blind, amputees have a chance at being able to walk move and see maybe even hear and smell too eventually.
expanding human capability
maybe extending our lives (although this kinda balances between good and bad for me because it seems way too unnatural)
telekinetic type applications are really cool like that board game you move with your mind

cons

-people will use their expanded capability for various crimes. imagine someone breaking into your home with robotic arms you probably couldnt do much to stop them. this will lead to increased police brutality too and then eventually some kind of gov regulation similar to gun control.
-if people start relpacing all their healthy parts with machine ones that really gross somehow
-it will be used for war

im sure there is alot more im just really tired but i like the topic though.


The new deus ex game


I was just thinking that this sounded a lot like the Deus Ex series of games.... Deus Ex and Deus Ex: Human Revolution were freakin' awesome. This also puts to mind Ghost In The Shell....
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I fully support this movement. It is part of the reason I am studying engineering.


Massive amounts of respect...i'm going into studying programming because i enjoy it (Though i'm only a beginner) and whilst it won't help much compared to engineering i want to help.

Being able to study engineering requires a smart person something i don't think i could ever achieve.

I hope you and the others help the movement and bring a new world closer to us all ^^

The mental acrobatics required of a software engineer are no less difficult than those required of an engineer.

In fact, you'll have people in engineering tracts sitting in a lot of the same math and physics classes you'll be taking. You'll also be sitting in classrooms with an electronics instructor when learning about logic gates and integrated circuits.

After the engineers finish their required math, a dedicated computer scientist keeps taking more. The only reason I did not get a degree in electrical engineering to go alongside my computer science degree was a lack of interest. (I did my entire navy career as an electronics technician, time to move on.) I did push for a second major in mathematics.

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inb4 we look like dis


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Ryulightorb wrote:

You are sounding rather idiotic claiming that something can't be "living" if it is made from a machine or a mixture of machine and cells.

I mean i understand your OPINION and what your saying and it does sound cultish but none of the arguments you have placed really make any reason to not strive for a future where we can go on living even if what lives on is only just a copy :P

The best point you made is

" isn't it a fact that our brain cells do not get replaced by new cells?"

Yes they do not IIRC so it's our job to find a way to prolong or rejuvenate them (if possible) if not the next best possibility is to find a way to copy the memories into a new body creating a clone to live on instead of the original.

I personally would be ok with death knowing another me is living on continuing what i want to do with my life and what work i want to get done,


I'm not the one sounding idiotic. You are, because you yourself doesn't understand the thrust of the argument. I was pointing out the futility of "life extension" by attempting to transfer the living into something that's not living. Not only that, you're ignorant as to the definition of what's living and what's not.

The least you can do is look it up yourself. One of the features of living things is respiration, and another would be reproduction. Yet another, I would add, would be some level of consciousness. Yes, even a plant would be more conscious than any machine that would ostensibly "replace" you. This is because artificial intelligence could never be conscious. It is a logical impossibility as I have indicated in another thread:


Robots don't "feel" anything, any more than amusement park animatronic "feel" or appear to "react" in a self-directed way to amusement park visitors.

They would "feel" things the way a Disneyland animatron "feel" things- By giving the appearance of a self-initiated reaction in place of an externally directed one.

An engineered appearance may become a de facto appearance if enough people believe in the charade, but it's not a bona fide phenomena.

All of robotics begin with low-level programming, a robot's brain wouldn't even know how to deal with any signal or any input unless an engineer explicitly defines what kind of signals it would take and how exactly it would process it. Any sentience or sapience exhibited would be an illusion produced by the engineer. There is no self direction because all direction are inherited from some kind of primitive programming. Complexity of a system also doesn't increase its sentience. If it does, then smartphones today would be sentient... The A8 processor in Apple iPhone 6 contains 2 billion transistors. Number of neurons in a house mouse? 71,000,000....

In philosophy of mind terms, an entity which can manipulate syntax does not require it to be semantic in nature. People having difficulty picturing this should also try to imagine the progression backwards; Just how primitive a calculation machine would have to be before they COULDN'T be viewed as sentient? ...Is an abacus sentient? How about a slide rule? Are people advocating pantheism/panpsychism without realizing it?

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I don't think it to be technically or even logically possible to create a sentient, "feeling", AI (I'll drop "learning" here, since that term contains some semantic landmines I'm too lazy to deal with now), for the reason that the process of its creation would render it non-sentient and non-"feeling". This process of injection of primitive programming renders the entity an automation by default. In short, for something to not to be an artificial intelligence, it can't be artificial. It has to be native. Only in nativity, i.e., birth, would an entity be freed from predetermination. The process of creating an AI is dramatically different from one of birth.

Whence this native intelligence... Certainly not from any sort of injection (programming).


As can be directly inferred from what I've written in the quotes above- No. A simulation doesn't "live" or exibit "life" via consciousness, any more than any other piece of software code. Therefore, your plans of having something "living" after you in the form of a sim is rendered moot.

Human lifespan has already been extended, and will continue to be extended, without a transhumanist agenda.
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