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The new VR technologies aside, I think the next step should go towards the development of AR (augmented reality) systems. Since VR totally cuts off the "real reality" and sends the user into a different one, there are too many nasty side effects and is limited in functionality. AR on the other hand can be used more for just simulations, and theoretically would not have the side effects as VR.

As for using neuro gaming, the pieces are pretty much assembled. As stated above, we just need something to act as an interface to human tissue and machines for long periods of time. That said most of the technology is being used for medical or other purposes entirely, which means that they are expensive and exclusive to those would need it.

I would give it around 40 years or so before it becomes mass produced for consumers to use it for everyday purposes.
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Considering scientists have been able to implant false memories in mice since 2014 ( http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/meet-two-scientists-who-implanted-false-memory-mouse-180953045/?no-ist ), and claim to have been reading mice's minds since 2013 ( http://news.stanford.edu/news/2013/february/reading-mice-minds-021913.html ) I suspect it's going to happen sooner than most of us think. Some paralyzed patients will soon be testing wireless brain computer interfaces if they aren't already. https://www.technologyreview.com/s/534206/a-brain-computer-interface-that-works-wirelessly/

Considering there are already toys like the Necomimi on the market, it can't be as far off as some people think. http://www.necomimi.com/



Nice find, those articles on brain / computer interfaces, Razor_Girl. It really began taking off when D.A.R.P.A. got behind the idea and really started a push for this technology.

http://www.darpa.mil/program/our-research/darpa-and-the-brain-initiative


D.A.R.P.A. started looking into BCI because of this: http://www.darpa.mil/program/revolutionizing-prosthetics. D.A.R.P.A. is looking for a way for the prosthetic devices to be controlled directly from the brain, and not just muscle movements where the prosthetic device is attached. https://www.rt.com/usa/315336-darpa-brain-controlled-prosthesis/

D.A.R.P.A. started on this road when a Pentagon General looked at a soldier with a hook arm for a prosthetic during a meeting for the development of smart missiles and smart bombs and the like. He asked, "How come we can build the best and bleedingest edge in weapons technology, and we're still using prosthetic arms designed back during the Civil War?" (Not an exact quote, but in essence, that's what he asked.) Since then D.A.R.P.A. has been pushing this effort.
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Thanks DeadlyOats, but it was easy to find them when I work with a bunch of brain surgeons and have access to every medical journal via the National Library of Medicine. Actually it was harder to find links to articles I could share with the average Crunchyroll reader since most of the ones I found require a subscription to access.

Yes, DARPA is one of the big supporters of the research. Although long term I suspect gaming, long distance communication, and porn are going to be where the money is at in this type of research. Being able to experience interactive games, or virtually spend time with someone who's on deployment overseas, or have virtual intercourse without the fear of diseases or pregnancies or other issues will make life interesting. They had a full immersion virtual reality suit once that I read about and they calculated that even using fiberoptics they would need a bundle of cables that was about a yard in diameter to transfer all the sensations that intercourse would have.
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Ryulightorb wrote:

I thought this was an interesting topic idea.

I give it 50-60 years


20 - 30 years tops before the technology exists. The technology may never be available to the public. Read/write capability for the human mind would give rise to some incredibly sensitive moral and ethical problems. How do you stop a criminal from altering your memories, or even your sense of self? Do you want a corporation to have access to your most hidden thoughts and desires?

Technology is accelerating geometrically. In just a few more years expert systems will be designing technologies in days that would take human engineers months. Those technologies will in turn be used to create even more advanced technologies. Machine learning algorithms already surpass the human in many areas, and are becoming more general purpose daily.



True....sigh everything good gets banned for "Ethical" and "Moral" reasons i swear....

I just want neuro-gaming to become a thing so we don't need keyboard and mouse and could actually feel like we are in a game unlike vr.
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Ryulightorb wrote:


Dariamus wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

I thought this was an interesting topic idea.

I give it 50-60 years


20 - 30 years tops before the technology exists. The technology may never be available to the public. Read/write capability for the human mind would give rise to some incredibly sensitive moral and ethical problems. How do you stop a criminal from altering your memories, or even your sense of self? Do you want a corporation to have access to your most hidden thoughts and desires?

Technology is accelerating geometrically. In just a few more years expert systems will be designing technologies in days that would take human engineers months. Those technologies will in turn be used to create even more advanced technologies. Machine learning algorithms already surpass the human in many areas, and are becoming more general purpose daily.



True....sigh everything good gets banned for "Ethical" and "Moral" reasons i swear....

I just want neuro-gaming to become a thing so we don't need keyboard and mouse and could actually feel like we are in a game unlike vr.


Have you ever watched Ghost In The Shell T.V. series? In GITS, society has reached a state where Humans and computers have been merged. A society were Humans can augment their minds with the computational power of computers, and can augment their natural Human strength with cyborized prosthetics. Humans can search the Internet directly with their minds and can hold video conferences with several others directly from their minds.

It seems really great, until you find that Humans can now be hacked into. They can be made to commit horrendous crimes, or to commit suicide - all at the hacker's whim. In this society, government routinely hack into people's minds and eyes to spy on on others. Whether the cause is espionage, or investigating a crime, people directly and indirectly involved are used to gather information.

You could be doing your own thing, minding your own business, and you wouldn't know that a government, or criminal, hacker is there in your mind, quietly going through your memories, stealing information, or just watching your life - remotely. You'd be the lucky one - if they left quietly after that. If you're not lucky, then you'd have your mind scrambled by some malicious hacker, if it was a criminal. Or your life would be re-written to be more pro-government, if the government found you to be anti-government (China would love that.... So would Putin).

You'd be willing to risk all of that, just for some games?

Some might say, "You can't reprogram a mind." Well, I just read an article that showed two MIT scientists successfully program a false memory into a mouse' mind. They were talking about using it for therapy for people with mental handicaps.... You think it will stop there?
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Ryulightorb wrote:

I thought this was an interesting topic idea.

I give it 50-60 years


Like a sword art online game?

If that's the case 25 years.

Bro in 50-60 years we will be immortal living inside game/anime worlds
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DeadlyOats wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


Dariamus wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

I thought this was an interesting topic idea.

I give it 50-60 years


20 - 30 years tops before the technology exists. The technology may never be available to the public. Read/write capability for the human mind would give rise to some incredibly sensitive moral and ethical problems. How do you stop a criminal from altering your memories, or even your sense of self? Do you want a corporation to have access to your most hidden thoughts and desires?

Technology is accelerating geometrically. In just a few more years expert systems will be designing technologies in days that would take human engineers months. Those technologies will in turn be used to create even more advanced technologies. Machine learning algorithms already surpass the human in many areas, and are becoming more general purpose daily.



True....sigh everything good gets banned for "Ethical" and "Moral" reasons i swear....

I just want neuro-gaming to become a thing so we don't need keyboard and mouse and could actually feel like we are in a game unlike vr.


Have you ever watched Ghost In The Shell T.V. series? In GITS, society has reached a state where Humans and computers have been merged. A society were Humans can augment their minds with the computational power of computers, and can augment their natural Human strength with cyborized prosthetics. Humans can search the Internet directly with their minds and can hold video conferences with several others directly from their minds.

It seems really great, until you find that Humans can now be hacked into. They can be made to commit horrendous crimes, or to commit suicide - all at the hacker's whim. In this society, government routinely hack into people's minds and eyes to spy on on others. Whether the cause is espionage, or investigating a crime, people directly and indirectly involved are used to gather information.

You could be doing your own thing, minding your own business, and you wouldn't know that a government, or criminal, hacker is there in your mind, quietly going through your memories, stealing information, or just watching your life - remotely. You'd be the lucky one - if they left quietly after that. If you're not lucky, then you'd have your mind scrambled by some malicious hacker, if it was a criminal. Or your life would be re-written to be more pro-government, if the government found you to be anti-government (China would love that.... So would Putin).

You'd be willing to risk all of that, just for some games?

Some might say, "You can't reprogram a mind." Well, I just read an article that showed two MIT scientists successfully program a false memory into a mouse' mind. They were talking about using it for therapy for people with mental handicaps.... You think it will stop there?



Well it's going to get to that point whether we like it or not so sure...i'm going to die anyhow so lets have some fun before we go out
Posted 4/4/16
Probably awhile, what has been produced so far don't seem to offer all that much control, at least not the extent one would need to play anything beyond trivial games.
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Frankly, if these VR headsets take off (this time), it should take less time to go from the current setup to a similar setup than it took to go from the PlayStation to the PlayStation 3 or 4, at least for controlling the console. We have all the various technologies, now, to perform both mental control and sensory feedback. We've had them for, what, at least 20ish years? It's just a matter of putting them together, monetizing them, and then driving forward the improvements to the technologies to more accurately enact the purposes.
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