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Episode 3

Yeah, this episode definitely has some historical context to it with Germany's occupation in France and dragging Europe eventually into WWII. At this time period, I think they were using all sorts of ways to intimidate their foes as well. As part of the Axis powers, Japan is also allied with them but I wonder how this show will portray them? From what I remember, they are more of allies under a non-aggression pact rather than partners fighting shoulder to shoulder.

Characters like Marie choosing their own family over anything else. I didn't find the mystery or suspense of the episode to be complex but still got a nice thrill of the episode with the mind games.

Shimano is a really interesting character.
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E3

So we're jumping forward and getting individual episodes for each spy? Sounds like a reasonable way to go forward.

The episode displayed some interesting utilisations of their spy training through "Shimano", though if you get temporary amnesia, just ask someone to knock you again for an easy cure

In the previews so far, the same guy has been talking to the MCs of the next episodes - some form of gambling is next.
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This is starting to be my favorite anime this season. It's been a while since there was a psychological anime.
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With this episode it looks like the final style of this anime is coming into focus. I'm going to assume that future episodes will focus on one (or more?) of the spies on their various missions. Which I'm perfectly fine with if they're all as good as this episode; it was a nice character study of Shimano that also revealed more about the agency's training techniques. I mean, the way Shimano coped with his head trauma is straight-up some sort of Batman-tier level of contingency planning. This is a smart show and I look forward to seeing more.


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Yeah, this episode definitely has some historical context to it with Germany's occupation in France and dragging Europe eventually into WWII. At this time period, I think they were using all sorts of ways to intimidate their foes as well. As part of the Axis powers, Japan is also allied with them but I wonder how this show will portray them? From what I remember, they are more of allies under a non-aggression pact rather than partners fighting shoulder to shoulder.

In most wars it's rare to find allies 'fighting shoulder to shoulder', more like various power blocks fighting against a mutual enemy for personal gain. To that end, Japan allied with Germany not for ideological reasons but because Germany was an enemy of the British Empire. At the time Japan had designs on the various British territories and colonies in the Pacific, such as Singapore, the main British naval base in the region. Allying with Germany was convenient, since Japan wanted to fight the British anyway. Of course, the alliance worked-out very badly for Germany, because when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor Germany was obliged to declare war on the USA, which ultimately justified the presence of American troops in the European campaigns.
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Kintor wrote:

With this episode it looks like the final style of this anime is coming into focus. I'm going to assume that future episodes will focus on one (or more?) of the spies on their various missions. Which I'm perfectly fine with if they're all as good as this episode; it was a nice character study of Shimano that also revealed more about the agency's training techniques. I mean, the way Shimano coped with his head trauma is straight-up some sort of Batman-tier level of contingency planning. This is a smart show and I look forward to seeing more.


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Yeah, this episode definitely has some historical context to it with Germany's occupation in France and dragging Europe eventually into WWII. At this time period, I think they were using all sorts of ways to intimidate their foes as well. As part of the Axis powers, Japan is also allied with them but I wonder how this show will portray them? From what I remember, they are more of allies under a non-aggression pact rather than partners fighting shoulder to shoulder.

In most wars it's rare to find allies 'fighting shoulder to shoulder', more like various power blocks fighting against a mutual enemy for personal gain. To that end, Japan allied with Germany not for ideological reasons but because Germany was an enemy of the British Empire. At the time Japan had designs on the various British territories and colonies in the Pacific, such as Singapore, the main British naval base in the region. Allying with Germany was convenient, since Japan wanted to fight the British anyway. Of course, the alliance worked-out very badly for Germany, because when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor Germany was obliged to declare war on the USA, which ultimately justified the presence of American troops in the European campaigns.


IDK how verse you are with military history. The U.S. already had battle plans predicted 5 years that Germany will conquer other countries. And had battle plans for Japan taking the Pacific. Also, they had battle plans against Britain too since Britain was still one of the superpowers back then. They had 5 different strategic possibilities and 3 of them came true. The other two was Britain might try to 1v1 America.
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Episode 3

Wow. I don't know what happened but I felt extremely disconnected and bored the entire time. This just feels so weird because I absolutely loved episodes 1 and 2. Where is my Joker Game. Am I being Joker'd.

Going to have to watch this one more time.

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Just watched it a second time. I like it a lot better and it makes more sense now. /wipes sweat
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Episode 3: Miscalculation

So are we going for a more episodic route now? I thought there was going to be more of an overlying plot and maybe focus on the differences between spies and the generic soldier. The way they think and have Sakuma be kind of the bridge for that.

The episode was okay, I didn't really enjoy as much as I'd hope. Maybe it was the sudden timeskip but I wanted them to play a joker game one more time.

I do however like the historical context that was portrayed with France and Germany. The things people would do to save their own skin even if it means betraying the country.

Anyways I was a little thrown off. But it was an okay episode. Going for an episodic nature isn't too bad of a route but hopefully it connects towards something in the end.
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Good eps. What happens when a mission goes south?

Felt very bourne idenity-ish.. Not quite as good as the first two but still very solid.


i guess were going to get an episodic about each spy from now on?
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I was a bit thrown by the sudden change in protagonists, especially since it was a guy that wasn't particularly memorable to begin with. The only spy trainee that I could remember from the first two episodes was Miyoshi. I guess I was expecting a bit more continuity since this is based on a novel. Hopefully we'll see an overarching plot, other than just the spy training, come about. The episode, taken as a mostly stand alone story, was interesting though.
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Episode 3: Miscalculation

So are we going for a more episodic route now? I thought there was going to be more of an overlying plot and maybe focus on the differences between spies and the generic soldier. The way they think and have Sakuma be kind of the bridge for that.


No, this was very much plot driven and connects to the story thus far. This episode was giving us a taste of what it is like for a spy in the field and how their training works toward that end when something goes awry, but it also is connecting the story about the war and how they are their own men not tied to a country. The end reaffirms this point when he realizes Japan sided with Germany despite it being a bad strategic move.
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IDK how verse you are with military history. The U.S. already had battle plans predicted 5 years that Germany will conquer other countries. And had battle plans for Japan taking the Pacific. Also, they had battle plans against Britain too since Britain was still one of the superpowers back then. They had 5 different strategic possibilities and 3 of them came true. The other two was Britain might try to 1v1 America.

Yeah, military planners try to imagine every possible scenario, to give their nation the best chance of winning against any other power. With that said, those speculative plans can overlook the political dynamic. Especially since prior to the attack on Pearl Harbour the USA was a fairly insular nation, that saw itself above the petty struggles of the other great power.

Plus, there was also a strong pro-German (read: Fascist) sentiment within American society, tying the hands of President Roosevelt who personally wanted the USA to enter the war on the side of Britain and France against Nazi Germany. As such, Germany's declaration of war on the USA after Pearl Harbour allowed Roosevelt to clamp-down on the Fascist movements within American and successfully pursue a war against Germany, Japan and Italy, the Axis Powers. It just goes to show how an alliance between Japan and Germany, to deal with Britain, had far reaching consequences.
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I was confused by Marie's decision making. The scene I had the most problem with is Marie agreeing to ask for Shinamo's help then not a minute later point the gun at them. Why did she choose to turn them in then, and not before when they were inside the house? If her mission is to tail Allen, how did the bomb exploding affect her plans...
Not a bad episode though, I like where the show is going. Just a bit worried that the writers are trying to make the show appear more thoughtful by arbitrarily trying to string connections together.
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I was confused by Marie's decision making. The scene I had the most problem with is Marie agreeing to ask for Shinamo's help then not a minute later point the gun at them. Why did she choose to turn them in then, and not before when they were inside the house? If her mission is to tail Allen, how did the bomb exploding affect her plans...
Not a bad episode though, I like where the show is going. Just a bit worried that the writers are trying to make the show appear more thoughtful by arbitrarily trying to string connections together.


I don't believe she was a trained spy. She just seemed like someone the Germans forced into becoming their mole, so I wasn't too concerned about her intelligence.
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I really like the way they tell the story. I had a few concerns after the first two episodes but I'm glad to see that I was wrong.
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Finished the third episode, at first I was confused with the big time skip (nearly three years), but realized they're going with a more episodic route which will focus on each spy. When I step back I can see that would be an easier time showing off each character and their skills but I hope they're tied together with Sakuma's story with Colonel Yuuki who I believe are both the most fascinating characters in of the show.

Still enjoying it and the time period! Just hope with all of these characters they'll be connected well via the storyline.
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