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He's free to write any book he wants no matter how horrible as long it's not slander or revealing some kind of unprivileged information.

Don't like? Don't buy. But don't make it so a store can't sell it or other people can't buy it.

I suppose you're free to start and sign petitions as well, but I don't really see how free speech to limit free speech helps free speech. Granted, free speech/expression rights are sometimes outweighed by certain consequences brought about by that speech, but I don't believe this is one of those instances. His statements are so obviously off that there is no danger that reasonable people will be influenced by his writing. I've read books that teach people how to stealthily carry weapons and nobody complained about those.

I agree that freedom of expression does not make him exempt from backlash, but this doesn't seem to be about the moral implications of what he is saying than about hitting him in the wallet. If there is to be backlash, fine. But at least make it of the same kind. It's unfair to respond to speech one does not like by doing things that bring about a very real consequence. Sort of like those Facebook people who will go around contacting a person's friends, bosses, and family because they don't like what that person said in a comment. It's not fair even if that person has said racist and horrible things online.


I was with you right up to the last paragraph. You have the right to say whatever you want but personal responsibility means if you do say something and it has consequences that's on you. Stopping someone making money from a book isn't stopping his right to say or think that way, he's still free to say it, hell he can give the book away for free if he's so passionate about the subject.
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While I find the individual and the subjects he writes about repulsive & repugnant, No I will not sign any petition that bans any book from any market place and the stupid little message at the bottom that says its not about censorship doesn't mean shit because the entire point of that page is a petition asking Amazon to ban his book from their marketplace. How is that not censorship?

Maybe some of you people who think they can tell others what they can & cannot read should try searching in Amazon for any of hundreds if not thousands of how to/guide books that could possibly be used for nefarious purposes. Here are some of the more extreme examples you can find on Amazon. The Anarchists Cookbook, Hit Man: A Technical Manual for Independent Contractor, Get Even: The Complete Book Of Dirty Tricks, or any of the vile crap the Marquis de Sade wrote.

I found the book the petition is trying to ban on Amazon and believe it or not out of 463 reviews, while yes there are many 1 star reviews (25%) that rightfully condemn the book for its writers actions & stance on rape, most of them are 5 star (60%) from lonely men who read it for help on how to pick up women during the day. Here is the first one I read.

"I read this book before reading the regular bang and it was very helpful in getting me to approach women during the day. I did have somewhat of a fear of talking to women during the day and this book does have many strategies for starting a normal conversation with women during daylight. It is much harder to approach females out in a normal everyday setting than in a nightclub because nightclubs and bars are made for socializing. I recommend this book to anyone who needs help approaching women during the day time."


One of the reasons I am against the death penalty is because their is a chance for that person to later show redemptive value to society. I am against banning books for the same reason because I have yet to read a single book that does not potentially show this quality to someone, and this review and the overwhelming majority of others that agree with it show redemptive value.

Plus the fact this guy doesn't even compare to some of the much worse examples I've given you so it'll most likely not get banned even if the petition does pass, so all you'll have succeeded in doing is given this asshole author free advertising instead of just letting it (rightfully) fade into obscurity if you just ignored it & left a bad review.
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This person has every right to write and publish whatever he wants to...even if it's this level of despicable.

On the flip side, Amazon, as a private publisher and retailer, has a right to publish or not publish, sell or not sell, anything they see fit. If users of Amazon want to petition for it to be removed, no ones rights are being violated.

If this man has claimed to rape people, then I sincerely hope he is investigated for these things. I have no way to know if he's really done any such thing, but it gives me the creeps.
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*Before I click on this thread. It's about Roosh V isn't it? Yep it is. Well let's dive right into this minefield shall we?

Now let me get this out there right off the bat. I think Roosh V is scum of the highest caliber . I am however, against censorship be it through the Government or the Market so I will not be signing that petition. If something is being sold that I don't like or find reprehensible (Of which there are many) then I am free to choose to not buy it. Getting up in arms about banning it entirely or removing it from store shelves (or a store warehouse in this case) is what I believe to be a threat to intellectual freedom. I think that as a society we should let ideas no matter what they may be, stand or fall based on their own merits. As despicable as I find the garbage that Roosh V spews from his mouth. Taking away one's podium in order to freely express their ideas is a far greater offense in my opinion.
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*Before click on this thread. It's about RooshV isn't it? Well let's dive right into this minefield shall we?

Now let me get this out there right off the bat. I think Roosh V is scum of the highest caliber . I am however, against censorship be it through the Government or the Market so I will not be signing that petition. If something is being sold that I don't like or find reprehensible (Of which there are many) then I am free to choose to not buy it. Getting up in arms about banning it entirely or removing it from store shelves (or a store warehouse in this case) is what I believe to be a threat to intellectual freedom. Let ideas no matter what they may be, stand or fall based on their own merits. As despicable as I find the garbage that Roosh V spews from his mouth. Taking away one's podium in order to freely express their ideas is a far greater offense in my opinion.



Isn't Roosh V supposed to be a sex addict? I know Amazon banned a book about pedos several years ago. They also banned a book about training pit bulls for dog fights.
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I can understand opposing trying to censor it via law, but I don't really see how one could censor it simply by removing it from retailers.

Now, if we where banning it from public libraries and the like, I could almost understand. A retailer, however, can sell whatever they want. Usually what they sell or don't sell is entirely dependent on customer demand. If amazon stopped carrying the book, he could find a different retailer, or simply self publish.
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I can understand opposing trying to censor it via law, but I don't really see how one could censor it simply by removing it from retailers.

Now, if we where banning it from public libraries and the like, I could almost understand. A retailer, however, can sell whatever they want. Usually what they sell or don't sell is entirely dependent on customer demand. If amazon stopped carrying the book, he could find a different retailer, or simply self publish.


I am aware Amazon has every right to control what they sell. If Amazon decides not to sell it of their own accord that's their right as a business owner. I just don't agree with petitioning Amazon or any retail outlet to remove a book that some (or most hopefully in this case) people find reprehensible as the decision most likely came from outside forces of the company i.e. customers who just don't like the author or the books contents. I see that as a form of bullying and choose not to participate in those types of petitions.
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"While walking to my place, I realized how drunk she was. In America, having sex with her would have been rape, since she legally couldn’t give her consent. It didn’t help matters that I was sober, but I can’t say I cared or even hesitated. I won’t rationalize my actions, but having sex is what I do."


If the events from this extract are true then Roosh V is complete trash (although that is an insult to trash) however (in his book) where does he advocate for the rape or direct harm of women? The petition only gives this example (noted above) for why his books should be banned from Amazon however; in this extract he is not advocating or inciting others to commit rape or violence against women. The petition needs a harder hitting and more damming extract from his book that clearly shows that this man is advocating for others to commit rape violence etc.

The argument that Amazon is profiting from rape is also rather questionable especially when you look at other subjects through this interpretation. For instance you could argue that Amazon has profited from the Holocaust and the ideology of Nazism as it sells books on both subjects. If you wanted to take this viewpoint to the extreme, you could argue that Amazon and similar sites have profited from genocide through the selling and distribution of materials relating to it.

As much as I hate to say it, I don't think that Daryush Valizadeh's aka (RooshV) books should be banned from Amazon. The quote from his book (if accurate) makes me view him as a complete degenerate however; not liking something is not a good enough reason for banning it.
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Does that mean I can sell my torture books on amazon or...
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dreadreaver89 wrote:

*Before click on this thread. It's about RooshV isn't it? Well let's dive right into this minefield shall we?

Now let me get this out there right off the bat. I think Roosh V is scum of the highest caliber . I am however, against censorship be it through the Government or the Market so I will not be signing that petition. If something is being sold that I don't like or find reprehensible (Of which there are many) then I am free to choose to not buy it. Getting up in arms about banning it entirely or removing it from store shelves (or a store warehouse in this case) is what I believe to be a threat to intellectual freedom. Let ideas no matter what they may be, stand or fall based on their own merits. As despicable as I find the garbage that Roosh V spews from his mouth. Taking away one's podium in order to freely express their ideas is a far greater offense in my opinion.



Isn't Roosh V supposed to be a sex addict? I know Amazon banned a book about pedos several years ago. They also banned a book about training pit bulls for dog fights.


Roosh V is a pick-up-artist so I guess sex addict would be applicable? He writes books that teach men how to pick up women. And the book mentioned by the OP "Bang Iceland" describes an incident in Iceland where he was sober and the girl that's with him was drunk and he had sex with her. Which would be statutory rape in America if I'm correct. But he was in Iceland. I know nothing else about the book so I"m guessing that's what got people to start a petition. I wasn't aware of those other books you mentioned (I can see why Amazon stopped selling them though from what you've told me) As I said in an earlier reply Amazon has every right to control what they sell. I'm just against petitioning to get retailers to stop selling books (or any form of media) because some customers don't like its content.
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Okay but consider the fact that his use of "free speech" is degrading and harmful to other people?
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Okay but consider the fact that his use of "free speech" is degrading and harmful to other people?


I agree with you , the article clearly states that he promotes rape and he thinks it should even be legal , perhaps the people that say that it's wrong to censor the stuff should speak to someone who has been sexually assaulted or raped and tell them why they believe this man should be aloud to promote rape and even make money off it
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It's free speach so let it be up there, but give the list of every buyer to local police offices... That way the creeps will get watched long before they may do something
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memespls wrote:

Okay but consider the fact that his use of "free speech" is degrading and harmful to other people?


Even if his use of free speech is degrading to others that is not reason enough for his speech to lose its first amendment protection. As the for the harmful part. That needs to be proven that his words incite imminent and likely violence upon others for it to be not protected under the first amendment.

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Whoa! This sure escalated fast...
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