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Funny I keep hearing about amendments, the amendments are meant to protect peoples rights ... Haa haa funny , whose rights are we protecting ...
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Most people here seem to agree that the book and it's author are repulsive but would you agree with me if I said we should protest Amazon selling the bible? What if I said I believed Lot trying to appease the mob outside his house by offering up his 2 daughters for them to do with as they wanted (Genesis 19) promoted gang rape?

I'm not making this debate about religion, I'm just pointing out that the bible has at least one passage that could also be viewed as promoting rape in the same way...
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Midnightspell wrote:

Funny I keep hearing about amendments, the amendments are meant to protect peoples rights ... Haa haa funny , whose rights are we protecting ...


Everyones' rights and with a system such as that in place that means that it will protect the rights of people we may very well find detestable. Even then it's better than having a system where people or government decides who or which group has more rights than others.
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Okay but consider the fact that his use of "free speech" is degrading and harmful to other people?


Even if his use of free speech is degrading to others that is not reason enough for his speech to lose its first amendment protection. As the for the harmful part. That needs to be proven that his words incite imminent and likely violence upon others for it to be not protected under the first amendment.



THE MAN IS PROMOTING RAPE AND SEXUAL VIOLENCE?? HE IS LITERALLY TELLING PEOPLE THAT IT IS OKAY TO SEXUALLY ASSAULT PEOPLE!?
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Most people here seem to agree that the book and it's author are repulsive but would you agree with me if I said we should protest Amazon selling the bible? What if I said I believed Lot trying to appease the mob outside his house by offering up his 2 daughters for them to do with as they wanted (Genesis 19) promoted gang rape?

I'm not making this debate about religion, I'm just pointing out that the bible has at least one passage that could also be viewed as promoting rape in the same way...


No and that's even with the ton of incidents where mentally unstable people have done atrocious things throughout the ages by taking passages of the Bible literally. I doubt the same can be done of Roosh V's books.
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memespls wrote:


dreadreaver89 wrote:


memespls wrote:

Okay but consider the fact that his use of "free speech" is degrading and harmful to other people?


Even if his use of free speech is degrading to others that is not reason enough for his speech to lose its first amendment protection. As the for the harmful part. That needs to be proven that his words incite imminent and likely violence upon others for it to be not protected under the first amendment.



THE MAN IS PROMOTING RAPE AND SEXUAL VIOLENCE?? HE IS LITERALLY TELLING PEOPLE THAT IT IS OKAY TO SEXUALLY ASSAULT PEOPLE!?


Can you show me a quote of him saying that either in the books or the panels that he hosts? The passage from the link describes an incident that happened outside of America's jurisdiction and interpretation of law. Nor does it say that he advocated for his readers to get women around them drunk so that they would have sex with them.
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Roosh V is an incredibly repulsive person whose books should be taken off amazon.
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dreadreaver89 wrote:


memespls wrote:


dreadreaver89 wrote:


memespls wrote:

Okay but consider the fact that his use of "free speech" is degrading and harmful to other people?


Even if his use of free speech is degrading to others that is not reason enough for his speech to lose its first amendment protection. As the for the harmful part. That needs to be proven that his words incite imminent and likely violence upon others for it to be not protected under the first amendment.



THE MAN IS PROMOTING RAPE AND SEXUAL VIOLENCE?? HE IS LITERALLY TELLING PEOPLE THAT IT IS OKAY TO SEXUALLY ASSAULT PEOPLE!?


Can you show me a quote of him saying that either in the books or the panels that he hosts? The passage from the link describes an incident that happened outside of America's jurisdiction and interpretation of law. Nor does it say that he advocated for his readers to get women around them drunk so that they would have sex with them.


You do realize the law is basically the same in Iceland where it occurred and the books are explicitly "how to" guides.
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dreadreaver89 wrote:


memespls wrote:


dreadreaver89 wrote:


memespls wrote:

Okay but consider the fact that his use of "free speech" is degrading and harmful to other people?


Even if his use of free speech is degrading to others that is not reason enough for his speech to lose its first amendment protection. As the for the harmful part. That needs to be proven that his words incite imminent and likely violence upon others for it to be not protected under the first amendment.



THE MAN IS PROMOTING RAPE AND SEXUAL VIOLENCE?? HE IS LITERALLY TELLING PEOPLE THAT IT IS OKAY TO SEXUALLY ASSAULT PEOPLE!?


Can you show me a quote of him saying that either in the books or the panels that he hosts? The passage from the link describes an incident that happened outside of America's jurisdiction and interpretation of law. Nor does it say that he advocated for his readers to get women around them drunk so that they would have sex with them.


You do realize the law is basically the same in Iceland where it occurred and the books are explicitly "how to" guides.


From what I've heard so far is that such an incident is not illegal in Iceland. And from the various definitions of rape and statutory rape laws in Iceland particularly statutory rape since I'm assuming that's what it would fall under if it were illegal there I see no mention of defining statutory rape as someone who's impaired and unable to give consent only that the victim is under age and thus unable to grant consent. If you have a source that says otherwise I'd be happy to see it and question why he isn't in an Icelandic jail cell. And if his books are about a "how to guide" for men on how to actually pull off rape against women then why isn't that the quote that's being put in the limelight? If the people petitioning wanted to get this book taken off Amazon's shelves or hell probably even banned outright that'd be far better ammunition for them. It's like going for the 9mm handgun when you have a .50 caliber sniper rifle.

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Never mind found a source that goes into the Iceland rape laws in more detail. Apparently a case where one was drunk and then raped it would fall under "abuse" laws which are kind of the equivalent of statutory rape here in America but carry lighter sentences.
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It wouldn't be statutory rape, I think that only applies to under the age of consent - as in it's still rape if they're under that age because the statutes say they are to young to consent.

From what I've read there is something of a hole in this area of Icelandic law since rape is only in the context of violent forced acts, if a victim is to drunk to consent or unconscious it is classified abuse apparently but I can only find one blog post that discusses the law past saying there are laws (maybe there are more but they're in Icelandic?).

More on topic, after much searching to avoid paying for information from a guy whose "game" is so bad he literally has to wait until girls are essentially anaesthetized I found the full story. I'll admit I felt like I needed a Silkwood shower after reading some of his stuff but the extract quoted here seems less cut and dry in context. the girl is drunk but concious and self aware enough to criticize his shitty bedroom technique in that he didn't give her an orgasm and makes him, erm, give it a better go.

I suspect the best strategy to stop people listening to his rubbish would be to point out how big a failure he is in his apparent area of expertise.
Posted 4/7/16
Repulsive. Though honestly, as much I hate this, should we really ban it? I believe it is completely within Amazon's right to ban it as a private company, as the customers right to petition. However, what if we're descending into a mad mobocracy where we banned things we didn't like, including controversial ideas? I mean, we're in an era where we banned historical images and others of the Confederate flags and defacing monuments of Robert E. Lee. I think the main question here should concern intent, imminence, and likelihood, as well as the precedence.
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He's a deplorable person but promoting censorship because of him isn't the way to go.



If you read his books, which I had been given 'free' copies of--He's the type of guy that strokes his own dick. Most of his sexual encounters are likely very embellished to show how manly he is (which he mistakes for being an aggressive predatory asshole preying upon the weak and vulnerable). He often over inflates his ego because he has low self esteem.

One can tell reading the drivel that he has something to prove to a very niche community.

Getting sex from sluts is so hard. No one is impressed by things like that other than the very tiny minority he postures to.

Was some of his abusive behavior true? Probably to a degree, but not nearly to the degree he's exaggerated it. Presumption of innocence is indeed something he has--but so do we have the freedom to speculate the kind of individual he is based on his own fantastical 'accounts'.

It's those weak minded individuals one has to be wary of anyway.
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So, let us get this straight:

A man writes a book and you want to have it censored because it goes against your grain?

There is no constitutional framework to deny his right to free speech.

It is perfectly fine to not buy his books, it is fine to ask others to not buy his books. It is not fine to try and remove ANY book from market because it ruffles your pajamas.


Let me see if that's on the approved reading list real quick, hmmm...


Posted 4/7/16

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While I find the individual and the subjects he writes about repulsive & repugnant, No I will not sign any petition that bans any book from any market place and the stupid little message at the bottom that says its not about censorship doesn't mean shit because the entire point of that page is a petition asking Amazon to ban his book from their marketplace. How is that not censorship?

Maybe some of you people who think they can tell others what they can & cannot read should try searching in Amazon for any of hundreds if not thousands of how to/guide books that could possibly be used for nefarious purposes. Here are some of the more extreme examples you can find on Amazon. The Anarchists Cookbook, Hit Man: A Technical Manual for Independent Contractor, Get Even: The Complete Book Of Dirty Tricks, or any of the vile crap the Marquis de Sade wrote.

I found the book the petition is trying to ban on Amazon and believe it or not out of 463 reviews, while yes there are many 1 star reviews (25%) that rightfully condemn the book for its writers actions & stance on rape, most of them are 5 star (60%) from lonely men who read it for help on how to pick up women during the day. Here is the first one I read.

"I read this book before reading the regular bang and it was very helpful in getting me to approach women during the day. I did have somewhat of a fear of talking to women during the day and this book does have many strategies for starting a normal conversation with women during daylight. It is much harder to approach females out in a normal everyday setting than in a nightclub because nightclubs and bars are made for socializing. I recommend this book to anyone who needs help approaching women during the day time."


One of the reasons I am against the death penalty is because their is a chance for that person to later show redemptive value to society. I am against banning books for the same reason because I have yet to read a single book that does not potentially show this quality to someone, and this review and the overwhelming majority of others that agree with it show redemptive value.

Plus the fact this guy doesn't even compare to some of the much worse examples I've given you so it'll most likely not get banned even if the petition does pass, so all you'll have succeeded in doing is given this asshole author free advertising instead of just letting it (rightfully) fade into obscurity if you just ignored it & left a bad review.


That honestly sounds like a troll review.
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This is f*cking funny.

A Rape Book, lol.

What's next? "How to Rape for dummies!"
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yeah, they're called "romance novels", some of them gets turned into movies. peeps been doing that for years.
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