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Post Reply Not an Angry Topic, This needs to be said,Sexualizing characters are good.
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Well depends on what you mean by "harmful".


Does it?

I suppose this is where the difference between "sexualization" and "oversexualization" may come in. There is a difference between a character who is attractive and a character who is a walking sex toy. Its one thing to say that "this character being attractive harms women" and another thing to say "this character being treated as sub-human harms women" (not to say that I agree with it (I don't think the research exists in a state that would allow me to say anything conclusive) just that it is a more valid position).

Since the OP mentioned it, I will say that I do not believe that Tracer being attractive and standing in a way that people think is sexy (I still don't understand that whole drama) is in any way harmful (to specify, I mean in terms of gender relations/sexism/misogyny)


Look Ive made this point before but In a vacuum tracers but is not a problem nor is it harmful to women. It is the overabundance of oversexualized women that is the problem.
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megahobbit wrote:


sundin13 wrote:


megahobbit wrote:

Well depends on what you mean by "harmful".


Does it?

I suppose this is where the difference between "sexualization" and "oversexualization" may come in. There is a difference between a character who is attractive and a character who is a walking sex toy. Its one thing to say that "this character being attractive harms women" and another thing to say "this character being treated as sub-human harms women" (not to say that I agree with it (I don't think the research exists in a state that would allow me to say anything conclusive) just that it is a more valid position).

Since the OP mentioned it, I will say that I do not believe that Tracer being attractive and standing in a way that people think is sexy (I still don't understand that whole drama) is in any way harmful (to specify, I mean in terms of gender relations/sexism/misogyny)


Look Ive made this point before but In a vacuum tracers but is not a problem nor is it harmful to women. It is the overabundance of oversexualized women that is the problem.


In terms of sexism or in terms of body norms? I can't see the rationale for the former and the latter is another argument entirely...
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sundin13 wrote:


In terms of sexism or in terms of body norms? I can't see the rationale for the former and the latter is another argument entirely...


Well both there interconnected.
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megahobbit wrote:


sundin13 wrote:


In terms of sexism or in terms of body norms? I can't see the rationale for the former and the latter is another argument entirely...


Well both there interconnected.


Are they?
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Sexualization isn't by definition bad, the problem most reasonable people on the feminist side of things tend to have with it is that it's done in excess and tends to disproportionately affect female characters. It's not always good or fitting to sexualize a character nor is it always bad to do so. I'll use overwatch to Illustrate. That sort of smooth sensual pose isn't really fitting for Tracer, who's a bundle of youthful energy and exuberance. It is fitting for Widowmaker, who's personality is more in line with that sort of thing, and I have no real qualms with her keeping it because that sensuality is in line with her characterization. Notice the updated Tracer pose isn't exactly the most innocent thing on the planet, but it's far more in line with the energetic nature of the character.

As for resolving the disparity between the sexualization of male and female characters in video games specifically, Smash Bros inspired me . There's nothing wrong with giving us Samus with a bare navel, but to be fair you should also give us Shulk in swim trunks. That way everyone's happy.
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sundin13 wrote:


megahobbit wrote:


sundin13 wrote:


In terms of sexism or in terms of body norms? I can't see the rationale for the former and the latter is another argument entirely...


Well both there interconnected.


Are they?


In my opinion yes.
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Sexualization of characters is neither good or bad; it simply happens.
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It becomes a problem when that's all a character is. A character needs to be more than sex. It shouldn't be their identity. When a woman is just there to be sex that's objectifying women. Women aren't objects.
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salsa anyone?
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It never ends.
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ZavinRoyalheart wrote:

It becomes a problem when that's all a character is. A character needs to be more than sex. It shouldn't be their identity. When a woman is just there to be sex that's objectifying women. Women aren't objects.


To be fair, sex object is a character type that can be done well. That is why I don't like the idea of making any character type "off limits"
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Because it teaches our kids to be misogynists.

You sound like a idiot, so you must think that a female in a sexual line of work is not as good as you? or is it just the fact that a man may find her attractive the negative part of that?.......



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Hail_King_Kakao wrote:
Because it teaches our kids to be misogynists.
lol they are being teached to be the M.. Man

Just don't think about all the male characters suffering from this!...
Where is the sexy men at?!
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You're looking at it completely wrong what's generally sexy/appealing about a female isn't typically what is sexy/appealing about a male. a big strong man with muscles on top of his muscles is a pretty unobtainable standard for what a man should look like. I don't recall any vampires in twilight having pot bellies or flabby arms but it's only when it applies to a female that people seem to have a issue with it. I'm not attacking you with this comment.
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It never ends.


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You sound like a idiot


That was the point.
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