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Deserves all the reprimanding, shouldn't be pushing PC bullshit onto kids at that age, 13-14 year olds are already struggling enough, puberty is a bitch, they don't need to feel worse about themselves nor do they need to stir their confusions about sexuality and whatnot with this crap. Bad choice on behalf of the teacher to think that bringing that kind of content into the classroom is appropriate, that kind of "education" is just... well, insulting to the already horrid public school system


I still think kids should be taught that you don't have to be cisgender or heterosexual to live a normal life, but hey, who cares about minorities?


There's a different and less stupid way to do that. There really are only two genders anyway, trans people don't get classed as being their own gender, they generally transition into the opposite one.

That "nonbinary", "genderfluid", "agender", "insert another synonym here" stuff is usually just a cry for attention used by teens and twentysomethings who are either entitled and bratty or trying to use this "gender alteration" as a scapegoat for their issues in life, most of them are just immature girls , none of it is generally based in actual gender dysphoria, which you have to have to be trans in the first place. You can essentially equate the genderspecials to the same kids who think it's trendy to accessorize labels that actually end up demeaning people. I literally wrote a wall of text a couple months ago detailing how those "identities" are BS. Call me oppressive or regressive all you want, go deny the truth. Also, I was friends with a lot of these assholes on tumblr and they made me feel nothing but like I was stepping on eggshells. You know what it's like to watch your friend turn into a sjw? Brutal.



Most people are cisgendered heterosexuals anyway, not to say that everyone is, but I'd say that kids on their own can find out that not being those things is perfectly okay. They don't need a push from a teacher.
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"She has ADHD and apparently the teacher said there are some kids in this class that have ADHD, and ADHD is a mental illness, and that's why she circled that. To me, ADHD is not a mental disability. It's something she has," said Stiles.


That is such bullshit. IT's a mental disability. Just because you have a mental disability doesn't mean you have to feel bad about yourself or inferior to others. Just accept what it is, maybe take some medicine for it, and move on with your life.

I hate people who go around in denial and make up a bunch of nonsense to make it seem like they don't have any problems. They'll even act offended if you just tell it like it is because apparently saying someone is disabled is automatically an insult.

Again you don't have to hide from the fact you have a mental disability. It's like a physical one in the sense that unless it's a super severe case you can get buy in life even if you have a bit of a disadvantage.
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I'm still trying to understand the purpose of the form ? I mean I am all for people recognising that they have grown up with certain privileges, as a white female growing up in the UK attending university I have had a lot of opportunities not open to certain people in other parts of the world merely because I was born in different circumstances. It's important that I recognise that and also recognise that everyone else should have the same rights as me. I think this has been something that the adults around me have successfully instilled into me and also from independent research and trying not to be ignorant of the world around me. But - how does filling a form about this help and what the hell has it got to do with spanish class

so confused. im guessing the teacher was trying to teach her students the valuable lesson that everyone should be treated equal?

I done this quiz online on international womans day and it was quite eye opening actually and kind of relevant although its focusing mainly on the unfair treatment of women but still interesting to show just how privileged we are here.

http://matchinternational.org/how-many-laws-did-you-break-today/

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That is such bullshit. IT's a mental disability. Just because you have a mental disability doesn't mean you have to feel bad about yourself or inferior to others. Just accept what it is, maybe take some medicine for it, and move on with your life.



I think it would be classed as a behavioural disorder - however I agree anything to do with the mind to me is something "mental" related. Unfortunately that word especially when combined with the word "disability" has such a stigma attached to it that I feel that child's mother is probably hindering her daughters understanding of her ADHD.

I always just think of them as quirks or personality traits anyway
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Deserves all the reprimanding, shouldn't be pushing PC bullshit onto kids at that age, 13-14 year olds are already struggling enough, puberty is a bitch, they don't need to feel worse about themselves nor do they need to stir their confusions about sexuality and whatnot with this crap. Bad choice on behalf of the teacher to think that bringing that kind of content into the classroom is appropriate, that kind of "education" is just... well, insulting to the already horrid public school system


I still think kids should be taught that you don't have to be cisgender or heterosexual to live a normal life, but hey, who cares about minorities?


I agree, but I don't think the grades that she was teaching would understand that quite yet. She had good intentions, just went about it wrong.

In this day and age anymore, like it or not, you're going to have to teach your kids about transgender and other things like priviledge eventually. Can't hide that shit anymore.

*though I hate cis. Just say heterosexual or you're straight.
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Deserves all the reprimanding, shouldn't be pushing PC bullshit onto kids at that age, 13-14 year olds are already struggling enough, puberty is a bitch, they don't need to feel worse about themselves nor do they need to stir their confusions about sexuality and whatnot with this crap. Bad choice on behalf of the teacher to think that bringing that kind of content into the classroom is appropriate, that kind of "education" is just... well, insulting to the already horrid public school system


I still think kids should be taught that you don't have to be cisgender or heterosexual to live a normal life, but hey, who cares about minorities?


I agree, but I don't think the grades that she was teaching would understand that quite yet. She had good intentions, just went about it wrong.

In this day and age anymore, like it or not, you're going to have to teach your kids about transgender and other things like priviledge eventually. Can't hide that shit anymore.

*though I hate cis. Just say heterosexual or you're straight.


How about non-trans?
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Teaching about "equality" is one thing; however, it is fairly clear that she drifted from her classroom subject onto a personal interest. She didn't keep the subject relevant to her Spanish class. Although it is a shame that her actions were blown up to such a degree and she was fired, sadder still is that she blundered and brought her personal agenda to work. There are classroom subjects for which her project would be very appropriate, but this teacher really had no business doing so in her Spanish class.
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so confused. im guessing the teacher was trying to teach her students the valuable lesson that everyone should be treated equal?
then its just not the way to go, maybe watch some about the past and what other people do experince to history etc.
Like how some had it under world war to places down in the slum of africa/india and so on.

Where whole villages take power from the rich (I mean electricty) for heat/lights and maybe some other devices, and if you have seen the slums and how it are...

aeb0717 wrote: she drifted from her classroom subject onto a personal interest. She didn't keep the subject relevant to her Spanish class. Although it is a shame that her actions were blown up to such a degree and she was fired.
yeah and all that.
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I apologise for the condescending tone of my last response. You're right, this was not a proper way to teach kids about such matters. There are some people who could be considered agender and similar, but I guess you're not going to find them on Tumblr and definitely not en masse. I also agree with the notion that teachers don't have to teach anyone that not comforting to the norm is completely fine. There's other ways to convey that message. Btw, I'm not complaining or anything, I'd just like to say that cisgendered sounds a bit stupid. Cisgender sounds better.
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The only real privilege that exists today is whether you have money. Yes or no.

If the teacher wants do things she isn't teaching primarily that's what clubs, outreach programs, etc. are for - not the fucking classroom.

The form itself is invasive. If you saw the far right handing out such a form and using it to see who's most "damned" or "sinful" just about everyone here would flip their shit and not this half assed apologetic "she was doing what she thought was good" nonsense.

It didn't belong and she did it with her own agenda.
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I apologise for the condescending tone of my last response. You're right, this was not a proper way to teach kids about such matters. There are some people who could be considered agender and similar, but I guess you're not going to find them on Tumblr and definitely not en masse. I also agree with the notion that teachers don't have to teach anyone that not comforting to the norm is completely fine. There's other ways to convey that message. Btw, I'm not complaining or anything, I'd just like to say that cisgendered sounds a bit stupid. Cisgender sounds better.


Eh, it's okay. I will admit that cisgender, although the "proper" term for referring to non trans people, slightly bothers me, that's only because I'm sick of it being used in a negative context by the brats I talked about in my aforementioned post as some kind of insult. Although I know the context youre using it in is just fine so it's cool I think it's more of a parents or a kids job themselves to learn that stuff, not the education system's or an instructors, the problem is that some parents think precisely that it is the systems job to teach their kids. I still think a teacher's sociopolitical thoughts shouldn't be integrated in their classroom or curriculum, at least not to a great extent. it should be a students job to form their own beliefs and decide what they want to be, or to come to terms with what they are.
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some parents can be really annoying and stupid. They think their snot brats are perfect angels and insistent there is nothing wrong with them.

"To me, ADHD is not a mental disability. It's something she has," <----- Uh ya she has something, its called a mental disability.
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Talk about going totally overboard with this. Kids don't even know themselves at that age, much less understand these adult themes and other sexual stuff. I get that the message about inequality and raising awareness to all of those crazy things that go on in society, but this is just not the right the way to approach it.


I mean, I'm not in 7th or 8th grade and I don't know what cisgendered is. It's a fucking tumblr troll term and this teacher obviously is like 18 and immature and a huge internet tumblr activist. Glad she learned what happens when you bring your online trolling to your irl job.
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Deserves all the reprimanding, shouldn't be pushing PC bullshit onto kids at that age, 13-14 year olds are already struggling enough, puberty is a bitch, they don't need to feel worse about themselves nor do they need to stir their confusions about sexuality and whatnot with this crap. Bad choice on behalf of the teacher to think that bringing that kind of content into the classroom is appropriate, that kind of "education" is just... well, insulting to the already horrid public school system


I still think kids should be taught that you don't have to be cisgender or heterosexual to live a normal life, but hey, who cares about minorities?


There's a different and less stupid way to do that. There really are only two genders anyway, trans people don't get classed as being their own gender, they generally transition into the opposite one.

That "nonbinary", "genderfluid", "agender", "insert another synonym here" stuff is usually just a cry for attention used by teens and twentysomethings who are either entitled and bratty or trying to use this "gender alteration" as a scapegoat for their issues in life, most of them are just immature girls , none of it is generally based in actual gender dysphoria, which you have to have to be trans in the first place. You can essentially equate the genderspecials to the same kids who think it's trendy to accessorize labels that actually end up demeaning people. I literally wrote a wall of text a couple months ago detailing how those "identities" are BS. Call me oppressive or regressive all you want, go deny the truth. Also, I was friends with a lot of these assholes on tumblr and they made me feel nothing but like I was stepping on eggshells. You know what it's like to watch your friend turn into a sjw? Brutal.



Most people are cisgendered heterosexuals anyway, not to say that everyone is, but I'd say that kids on their own can find out that not being those things is perfectly okay. They don't need a push from a teacher.





I agree with you but you're kinda being ignorant to gender fluid people who are naturally born that way.

in life everything is a spectrum and no one or nothing is ever concrete. For example research now shows that women are inherently bisexual, but the degree varies per individual.

some people are born with gray genders and some at birth are forced by parents and doctors to keep a gender and others stay gray. So not everyone is m/f
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Hooray for the indoctrination of children into warped ideologies!


wut. I mean sure some of this is pretty cavalier (as someone with ADD I think that pretending its a meaningful disability is stupid). But for the most part this seems to be parents getting freaked out over nothing.

Also if these kids are twelve im pretty sure its safe for them to know about trans and the whole LGBT spectrum. I think its best to raise your kids as accepting early.


Its not about knowing about LGBT people, it is about how the idea of "privilege" in this context is extremely ideological, and even if you agree with the ideology, it isn't something that should be taught in schools (at least as anything concrete). I don't care what teachers believe, but keep your ideologies out of schools.
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