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I would disagree. I personally think teaching the concept of privilege has always been done in schools. I was certainly taught about it growing up in regards to race and racism (full disclosure I was in a private catholic school not a public one) I think LGBT is the next step. It has been taught in schools.

Though the fact the teacher put ADHD down as a meaningful thing is still dumb.


The concept of privilege is kinda bullshit as it puts much more stock on how you were born than on who you are as a person and extrapolates out using all manner of assumptions to imply life experiences. I have always been a follower of the "judge a person by the content of their character, not how they were born" school of thought, and things like this just seem regressive in nature. Yes, have discussions about race, but have those discussion in a way which speak towards individualism, not collectivization. Also, telling people that they are oppressed just serves to give people a victim complex and see oppression where it doesn't exist.


A. You got that argument from a Sargon vid wholesale.

B. The thing is while "judge a person by the content of their character" is something we should strive for not everyone operates on that wavelength. You would realize this is you read some of MLK's writing rather than just the cliffnotes.

C. Like I said as much as you yourself may be dedicated to the individualism others are not. We as humans generally tend to air toward broad collectivization and categorization. While this can be both a bad thing and a good thing it is just kinda in our nature so many people still operate on this level.

D. In the case of LGBT/Race/meaningful mental disorders I would disagree with the victim complex thing. But in this specific case the fact that ADD/ADHD was counted as a meaningful thing is stupid which I say as someone with really bad ADD (case and point I should be doing homework right now).
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Your reading comprehension baffles me... or not... I guess catholic schools still teach us to read what we want into everything. Ineither explicitly stated nor implied dangers of imitation. I was referring to them having to interact with trans peers in school, which again is unlikely since it's not a recommended surgery at school ages.



You do realize that the surgery is not what makes the person trans? I have heard stories of people as young as 1st/2nd grade identifying as trans in school.
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The tricky thing with "privilege" is that the language surrounding discussion of the topic is ideologically loaded. So while discussion of disparities in things like resources, opportunities, and safety based on characteristics such as race/ethnicity, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, religious affiliation, and so on is worthwhile a new way to frame such discussions may be necessary. A sheet asking how privileged someone is may be intended to be a thought provoking exercise aimed at drawing attention to such disparities wherever they may exist, but it may not be the most effective way to highlight them since it could be interpreted as having something of an accusatory tone.
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Your reading comprehension baffles me... or not... I guess catholic schools still teach us to read what we want into everything. Ineither explicitly stated nor implied dangers of imitation. I was referring to them having to interact with trans peers in school, which again is unlikely since it's not a recommended surgery at school ages.



You do realize that the surgery is not what makes the person trans? I have heard stories of people as young as 1st/2nd grade identifying as trans in school.


Oh really that's weird I keep getting transvestite and Transgender mixed. So are they allowed to go into the opposite gender's bathrooms because they simply want to be that gender? Maybe they should teach trans in 8th grade.
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I would fill out the form saying why I'm privileged not to be any of those things. other then Religion and sex orientation since you have a choice to be religious or pretend to be a different sex.
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lambofgenesis wrote:


megahobbit wrote:


lambofgenesis wrote:


Your reading comprehension baffles me... or not... I guess catholic schools still teach us to read what we want into everything. Ineither explicitly stated nor implied dangers of imitation. I was referring to them having to interact with trans peers in school, which again is unlikely since it's not a recommended surgery at school ages.



You do realize that the surgery is not what makes the person trans? I have heard stories of people as young as 1st/2nd grade identifying as trans in school.


Oh really that's weird I keep getting transvestite and Transgender mixed. So are they allowed to go into the opposite gender's bathrooms because they simply want to be that gender? Maybe they should teach trans in 8th grade.


It's not so much that they want to be that gender as much as they truly believe without a doubt that they are that gender and feel that their body was born "wrong". Though a true undeniable definition for transgenderism really hasn't been established among the populace so that's really just my version of what it means for someone to be transgender.
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megahobbit wrote:


sundin13 wrote:


megahobbit wrote:
I would disagree. I personally think teaching the concept of privilege has always been done in schools. I was certainly taught about it growing up in regards to race and racism (full disclosure I was in a private catholic school not a public one) I think LGBT is the next step. It has been taught in schools.

Though the fact the teacher put ADHD down as a meaningful thing is still dumb.


The concept of privilege is kinda bullshit as it puts much more stock on how you were born than on who you are as a person and extrapolates out using all manner of assumptions to imply life experiences. I have always been a follower of the "judge a person by the content of their character, not how they were born" school of thought, and things like this just seem regressive in nature. Yes, have discussions about race, but have those discussion in a way which speak towards individualism, not collectivization. Also, telling people that they are oppressed just serves to give people a victim complex and see oppression where it doesn't exist.


A. You got that argument from a Sargon vid wholesale.

B. The thing is while "judge a person by the content of their character" is something we should strive for not everyone operates on that wavelength. You would realize this is you read some of MLK's writing rather than just the cliffnotes.

C. Like I said as much as you yourself may be dedicated to the individualism others are not. We as humans generally tend to air toward broad collectivization and categorization. While this can be both a bad thing and a good thing it is just kinda in our nature so many people still operate on this level.

D. In the case of LGBT/Race/meaningful mental disorders I would disagree with the victim complex thing. But in this specific case the fact that ADD/ADHD was counted as a meaningful thing is stupid which I say as someone with really bad ADD (case and point I should be doing homework right now).


Regardless of human tendencies, should schools really be trying to teach children to make broad assumptions based on race/gender/etc? None of what you said really argued the point...
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Regardless of human tendencies, should schools really be trying to teach children to make broad assumptions based on race/gender/etc? None of what you said really argued the point...


I dont think its teaching kids that which is what I meant. I think teaching kids about privilege is preparing them for a world were others will make broad assumptions about there race gender and class.
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megahobbit wrote:


sundin13 wrote:


Regardless of human tendencies, should schools really be trying to teach children to make broad assumptions based on race/gender/etc? None of what you said really argued the point...


I dont think its teaching kids that which is what I meant. I think teaching kids about privilege is preparing them for a world were others will make broad assumptions about there race gender and class.


So, we should teach kids to make broad assumptions about other people because others will make broad assumptions about them? I'm really struggling with this logic...
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sundin13 wrote:


megahobbit wrote:


sundin13 wrote:


Regardless of human tendencies, should schools really be trying to teach children to make broad assumptions based on race/gender/etc? None of what you said really argued the point...


I dont think its teaching kids that which is what I meant. I think teaching kids about privilege is preparing them for a world were others will make broad assumptions about there race gender and class.


So, we should teach kids to make broad assumptions about other people because others will make broad assumptions about them? I'm really struggling with this logic...


Cause your misconstruing it. I dont think recognizing privilege is making a broad assumption about other people.
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I dont think recognizing privilege is making a broad assumption about other people.
well it will make quite a confusion and make many things one sided... and shit will go down...
and make people join BLM or being a Feminist because of that and fall under weird facts they would want to belive and then adding this cycle to smaller children making more stupid mess and charges on each other.

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The irony here is that the parents reaction is just reinforcing the teachers original point. Parents don't want their 14 and 15 year olds thinking about these issues. They just want their children to stay in their nice, safe, sheltered lives and never consider that others may not be as fortunate or think the same way.
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ADHD can become a mental problem, from my cousin with "high" ADHD, but got some usefull meds (but never get too dependent on meds)


i suffer from ADHD and it actually affects my short term memory, my boss hates it but can't fire me because i'm apparently protected by the disabilities act
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i suffer from ADHD and it actually affects my short term memory, my boss hates it but can't fire me because i'm apparently protected by the disabilities act
what a tease you are! XP
for your boss I mean...

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Does no one question why this was done in a Spanish class?
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