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Posted 4/10/16 , edited 4/10/16
http://jezebel.com/man-who-killed-transgender-woman-in-a-blind-fury-for-fo-1769175523


In New York City, on Monday, 25-year-old James Dixon pled guilty to killing 21-year-old Islan Nettles because she was transgender. In 2013, James Dixon beat Nettles to death—punching and kicking her in the head repeatedly after he approached her and learned she was trans.

Dixon received 12 years in prison after taking a plea deal on a first-degree manslaughter charge, according to the New York Post. As per Gothamist, Dixon was provoked to violence because he felt embarrassed.

Dixon reportedly said that he and a group of friends encountered a group of women while walking along Eighth Avenue near West 148th Street on a late summer night, “thinking they were girls,” and that he tried to hit on Nettles.

Dixon said his friends heckled him, and he allegedly asked Nettles “if she was a guy,” according to a detective’s testimony. When Nettles said yes, Dixon allegedly pushed her, punched her in the face, knocking her down, and beat her further.
Nettles’ fall gave her a brain injury, exacerbated when Dixon pummeled her in the head. Her mother took her off life support less than one week after her assault.

Dixon said he’d been “fooled by a transgender” before meeting Nettles, and so he succumbed to “blind fury.” This is the classic “trans panic” defense, which Gothamist sums up as when “those who attack transgender people blame the victims by saying that they misrepresented their gender, the discovery of which made the attacker temporarily insane.”

This defense is used with dismaying frequency, as in the case of Joseph Pemberton, who choked a trans woman to death in the Philippines after learning she was “a man” and made him feel “raped.” In 2014, California became the first state to ban the “trans panic” defense.


That's horrible. I know that transgender stuff is considered to be a controversial topic, but you can't just kill someone because you don't like how they live their life. It's none of your business. This individual is a danger to society. He shouldn't be getting off that easily. It's also quite sad how California is the only state in the USA that banned the trans panic defense... What do you think of this incident? Should he have got more years in prison? Did the woman really trick him and deserved what she got or something similar to that?
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What is the usual number of years for murder?
That's how many he should have gotten.
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What do you think of this incident?

It's really kinda sad that someone is trying to kill someone over just being trans... There really is no reason for it but humans are humans I suppose.

Should he have got more years in prison?

Well considering they died mainly because of Dixon I'd say more.

Did the woman really trick him and deserved what she got or something similar to that?

Not really... unless they intentionally turned trans to mess with people they just wanted a gender change so it comes down to "Do you accept this person for who they are" type of scenario.
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Sir_jamesalot wrote:

What is the usual number of years for murder?
That's how many he should have gotten.


Welcome to the world of plea deals and prosecutorial discretion.

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Sir_jamesalot wrote:

What is the usual number of years for murder?
That's how many he should have gotten.


It depends, I didn't read all of it but I know he got 12 yrs. Some murderers get only 6yrs, 15, etc. I could be wrong but I think 2nd and 3rd degree is usually 25-life, but I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to this so don't take my word.
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The question here is more "should this individual have been convicted of second-degree murder instead of first-degree manslaughter". The difference is mostly that manslaughter is "provoked" and heat of the moment. The classic example is a man who walks in on his wife cheating on him and immediately kills the other man.
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Sounds stupid, like if he didn't like it.. walk away! (I could feel some of the same anger if it was after.. that either being drunk to not "notice" or something)

else Yes can be annoyed by that wouldn't say the genders right and then proceed to know this is not what that person "wants" and will get angry if they knew that this is what they would "get" like a teasing with false belief.

But anyway if he knew that from before

Dixon said he’d been “fooled by a transgender” before meeting Nettles
or is that just another one?
atleast if he knew such from before and only got angry by what the trans said I would say he allready knew what he did and should be rather punished for wanting to kill them before hand.

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The classic example is a man who walks in on his wife cheating on him and immediately kills the other man.
Mostly from what I know if that happend both of them would be taken out in fury, dunno whats more to belive is common atleast its easier that way to "hide everything ever happend"..
or lie about that but thats another story?
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give him 70+ years :/
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There is so much evil in our world and I have little hope in our government cause like I said before, once the supreme court steps in we are screwed. Posting some info bellow..

> In 2004, the New York Court of Appeals held that a portion of the state's death penalty law was unconstitutional. In 2007, they ruled that their prior holding applied to the last remaining person on the state's death row. The legislature has voted down attempts to restore the statute.
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Sir_jamesalot wrote:

What is the usual number of years for murder?
That's how many he should have gotten.


25 which he should have gotten.
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Although it is starting to be eliminated, there is a law called "Gay Panic Defense," which, in many parts of the US, allows for an individual to plead that they were violently reacting because they learned they were with someone of the same sex. It's absolutely atrocious. Luckily, this is mostly going away.

Also, as someone mentioned above, trans people do not "become trans" to mess with people. It is a part of their identity, and the mental and sometimes (not always) physical processes that a transgender individual must endure to accept themselves is often extreme. People don't do it like a Halloween costume. It's who someone truly is. And it doesn't always mean male to female or female to male. The fine lines and ambiguity of gender are also at work. There are many people who identify as trans who also do not identify as male or female at all, or as both, or as some gender identity that is different altogether. In short, there are not trans people going around enduring the extreme societal hardships of their identity to screw with anyone.

My heart goes out to this poor soul from the news above. I wish that peace could have been found here, in our violent and often unloving society. I do not believe in the death penalty, but those who knowingly and willfully kill a person belong behind bars for the rest of their lives.

Sorry, not sorry. I am very passionate about protecting my fellow LGBTQ peeps.
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Posted 4/10/16 , edited 4/10/16
Adding on to what Sundin said for further clarification:


Lord Judge accepted that the statute does not allow infidelity to be a "qualifying trigger" capable, in law, of causing someone to lose self-control but, because all the circumstances at the time of the killing have to be examined. If infidelity is present it has to be looked at and may add to the potency of any other conduct which might cause a loss of self-control. So if there can no longer be an infidelity defence there is instead a sort of "infidelity plus" defence, notwithstanding the statute says: "In deciding whether a loss of self-control had a qualifying trigger, the fact that a thing done or said constituted sexual infidelity is to be disregarded."

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The defence is only allowed if the conduct provoking the cause of the loss of control was "extremely grave", gave the defendant "a justifiable sense of being seriously wronged" and would have made someone with "a normal degree of tolerance and self-restraint" lose control and kill as well. These are all far higher tests than before.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/23/infidelity-plus-defence-murder


'Loss of control' is basically what this 'trans panic' fall under among other things.




Dixon told cops he experienced "blind fury" when he attacked Nettles and said he didn't realize the damage he caused until hearing the gossip in his neighborhood.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/transgender-slay-suspect-manhood-threatened-article-1.2585915


To add my own views--I don't think he had a valid reason for loss of control. It would have been more valid in the event of sex or something, but that wasn't the case. He deserved at least 5 more years.
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Posted 4/10/16

sundin13 wrote:

The question here is more "should this individual have been convicted of second-degree murder instead of first-degree manslaughter". The difference is mostly that manslaughter is "provoked" and heat of the moment. The classic example is a man who walks in on his wife cheating on him and immediately kills the other man.


Did you read the article Im pretty sure the killer was not "provoked".
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megahobbit wrote:

Did you read the article Im pretty sure the killer was not "provoked".


It's considered a loss of control defence.



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Yes, as Prince Judar said, the claim is that because of this panic, one can lose all sense of control in a "blind fury"
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