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PrinceJudar wrote:
It's considered a loss of control defence.
what happend with loss of controlled attacks.. I need that one!

cameroncatton wrote: one can lose all sense of control in a "blind fury"
yeah but was it "blind fury" is what I want to know?

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What do you think of this incident?

Well to be honest I think the whole "i'm transgedered thing" is out of control and people are leaning on it too easily. There are a lot of people who claim it when they are really just men who like feminine things a bit they don't have to claim to be part woman or something they just happen to not confirm to gender norms a bit. Guys can like things society says are for women without being trans! Male and female is generic you can't just decide which one you are. What you can decide is how "masculine" or "feminine" you are. So even if you are a man it's fine if you decide you like girly things but I think people should do so as their real gender. Now hide behind "Transgender" and pretend they are the other gender so that their tastes fit social norms.

IMO they aren't going their true selves which is a male who likes pretty or "girly" things they are pretending they are in fact women so liking "girly" things is thus "normal".

All that being said that doesn't make it okay to kill them ESPECIALLY if it was just running into and hitting on them. If they had been dating for a while and only later was the truth revealed I could understand the rage. Still wouldn't make murder okay but then I could at least understand the anger of something like that not being said at the start.

If you want people to respect your life choices and/or sexual orientation then you need to respect theirs and not telling a guy you are also male before dating counts as not respecting his orientation IMO. But again this is just a what if as they had only just met and the other person said it quite honestly so even the rage wasn't warranted.

Should he have got more years in prison?

Well people murder children, spouces, random people all the time and get equal or less or bull shit or no reasons. So it's not like this person only getting 12 is a strange thing.
Did the woman really trick him and deserved what she got or something similar to that?


Again if I read the thing properly he approached intending to pick up girls and before the day ended that person told him they were a trans and male. I would define lying as more they didn't clarify the truth of the matter after officially dating.m Because again I for one defien gender as completely genetic and that it's masculinity and feminimity that you can decide on. So IMO you should be an actual female if you want to call yourself a woman. If you don't agree then fine I can't force you to live your life the way I want you to but if I run into you and we start dating you better respect my own views and make that clear.

That should be fair right? just as some people are allowed to view gender as choosable I should be allowed to view it as not plus even with my views I still believe it's okay for men to like things women normally like and visa versa so I'm not telling people what they can and can't like I just have a different belief on what gender is.

So back to the main point no it hadn't gone far enough to count as really tricking him. And like I said earlier even if that person did "trick" him murder was way to extreme of a reaction. Rage I could understand but murder just isn't okay.
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What is the usual number of years for murder?
That's how many he should have gotten.


It depends, I didn't read all of it but I know he got 12 yrs. Some murderers get only 6yrs, 15, etc. I could be wrong but I think 2nd and 3rd degree is usually 25-life, but I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to this so don't take my word.


First degree is a planned murder, and that's usually 25 years/life. Second degree is a spontaneous murder that was not premeditated, and that may get you closer to 15 depending on where you live. Third degree murder is a murder done completely by accident, that's probably what you were thinking of when you said the 6 years thing.

Also, he may have only gotten 12 years, but I'm sad to say he likely will only serve half of that. Getting a reduced sentence after the fact is pretty common (except for pedophiles I hear, thankfully) and with the North Carolina rulings it sadly does seem like they're gonna take it really easy on this killer.
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As a trans woman myself; I want equal treatment to other women, not special treatment. I don't think twelve years is enough for murder; any murder. But it is sadly a fairly normal penalty for the crime so in that regard it's fair.

However, imagine this was a light-skinned black woman, "tricking" a racist into flirting. I have little doubt such an assault would be considered a hate crime. The base sentence is fair, but should have the additional punishment for being a hate crime tacked on. Their own defense admitted they murdered her because she was transgender. If specifically targeting a person because of that isn't a hate crime I don't know what is.

As far as was it deceiving, no. Again using race as an example, if you have a fetish for Asian people, and perceive a white person to be Asian, that is your mistake not theirs. If a relationship develops then that fact will come out (meeting family/old family photos for example). but unless their is serious interest, honestly, it's none of your business. And casually flirting with someone in a bar is a long way from serious.
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Its not like he fucked him. Really no point in killing the dude
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http://jezebel.com/man-who-killed-transgender-woman-in-a-blind-fury-for-fo-1769175523


In New York City, on Monday, 25-year-old James Dixon pled guilty to killing 21-year-old Islan Nettles because she was transgender. In 2013, James Dixon beat Nettles to death—punching and kicking her in the head repeatedly after he approached her and learned she was trans.

Dixon received 12 years in prison after taking a plea deal on a first-degree manslaughter charge, according to the New York Post. As per Gothamist, Dixon was provoked to violence because he felt embarrassed.

Dixon reportedly said that he and a group of friends encountered a group of women while walking along Eighth Avenue near West 148th Street on a late summer night, “thinking they were girls,” and that he tried to hit on Nettles.

Dixon said his friends heckled him, and he allegedly asked Nettles “if she was a guy,” according to a detective’s testimony. When Nettles said yes, Dixon allegedly pushed her, punched her in the face, knocking her down, and beat her further.
Nettles’ fall gave her a brain injury, exacerbated when Dixon pummeled her in the head. Her mother took her off life support less than one week after her assault.

Dixon said he’d been “fooled by a transgender” before meeting Nettles, and so he succumbed to “blind fury.” This is the classic “trans panic” defense, which Gothamist sums up as when “those who attack transgender people blame the victims by saying that they misrepresented their gender, the discovery of which made the attacker temporarily insane.”

This defense is used with dismaying frequency, as in the case of Joseph Pemberton, who choked a trans woman to death in the Philippines after learning she was “a man” and made him feel “raped.” In 2014, California became the first state to ban the “trans panic” defense.


That's horrible. I know that transgender stuff is considered to be a controversial topic, but you can't just kill someone because you don't like how they live their life. It's none of your business. This individual is a danger to society. He shouldn't be getting off that easily. It's also quite sad how California is the only state in the USA that banned the trans panic defense... What do you think of this incident? Should he have got more years in prison? Did the woman really trick him and deserved what she got or something similar to that?


Try telling that to the retarded rednecks who voted for that horrible 'Bathroom Law' in NC. They'd probably would praise this guy and give him a medal.


*sorry normal people of NC. I know that most of you are against it.

To answer: Yes, he should've gotten more years. You take a human life, bye.

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TrickedMJ wrote:


Sir_jamesalot wrote:

What is the usual number of years for murder?
That's how many he should have gotten.


It depends, I didn't read all of it but I know he got 12 yrs. Some murderers get only 6yrs, 15, etc. I could be wrong but I think 2nd and 3rd degree is usually 25-life, but I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to this so don't take my word.


First degree is a planned murder, and that's usually 25 years/life. Second degree is a spontaneous murder that was not premeditated, and that may get you closer to 15 depending on where you live. Third degree murder is a murder done completely by accident, that's probably what you were thinking of when you said the 6 years thing.

Also, he may have only gotten 12 years, but I'm sad to say he likely will only serve half of that. Getting a reduced sentence after the fact is pretty common (except for pedophiles I hear, thankfully) and with the North Carolina rulings it sadly does seem like they're gonna take it really easy on this killer.


Ohhh, I had it backwards, that's my fault then, I always get it confused. Yeah, a lot of people do get less than what's originally sentenced from what I hear.
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Okay, that's just wrong. You can hate the LGBT community all you freaking want, but straight up killing someone over it is not okay.
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Sentence wasn't long enough, shit defense was shit - it wasn't like he slept with her and was told after the fact which might have made more sense for such a sentence.
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Whether or not she was trans, it's still murder. And twelve years is far from enough for any kind of murder. Also, I thought that "panic defense" shit wasn't allowed to fly or be used as some kind of pardon anymore, sounds like it was being used here?
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magicreaver wrote:

As a trans woman myself; I want equal treatment to other women, not special treatment. I don't think twelve years is enough for murder; any murder. But it is sadly a fairly normal penalty for the crime so in that regard it's fair.

However, imagine this was a light-skinned black woman, "tricking" a racist into flirting. I have little doubt such an assault would be considered a hate crime. The base sentence is fair, but should have the additional punishment for being a hate crime tacked on. Their own defense admitted they murdered her because she was transgender. If specifically targeting a person because of that isn't a hate crime I don't know what is.

As far as was it deceiving, no. Again using race as an example, if you have a fetish for Asian people, and perceive a white person to be Asian, that is your mistake not theirs. If a relationship develops then that fact will come out (meeting family/old family photos for example). but unless their is serious interest, honestly, it's none of your business. And casually flirting with someone in a bar is a long way from serious.


I feel like the penalty for murder is too low any ways. I agree with Magicreaver that this instance should also be classified as a hate crime with extra time as a minimum. On the other hand I personally feel that murders (at least premeditated or extremely violent ones) should be punished with either life in prison or the death penalty. If you can`t control your own emotions enough to stop yourself from killing someone over something like masculine pride, you`re a probably not contributing much to society anyways. I personally prefer the death penalty, but in many places it isn`t used due to the possibility of "false conviction". Given, technology has come a long way in dating and contributing to the validity of evidence over the years, but I still understand the fear of this. Imo I hate the idea that innocent people, sometimes the victims of violent crimes themselves, have to contribute to paying for murderers to live. In the United States to the best of my knowledge 31 states still have the death penalty. My state, MI does not and abolished it in 1846.

Do I think the transgender woman was deceiving this criminal? No. She straight up and told him the truth when he asked. His reaction was the problem. Just because she was male before doesn`t mean she deserved that. Even if they had slept together she wouldn`t have. Wounded pride does not justify murder. Embarrassment does not justify murder. Bias and bigotry do not justify murder. As for this "blind rage" defense, I think its total bull. Not only do I think he should have been punished more severely, but I think his friends should have been charged as well for encouraging a hate crime, or for not having the sense or balls to stop him. If they were really his friends, they would have kept the idiot from doing something so hateful and foolish. Even if they disliked transgenders, they could have, and should have stopped him.
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It's a gawker site, so I'm not surprised at the horrible nature of the article.



Regardless, the legal principle here is an important one, and under a different circumstance (if intercourse occurred) would perhaps be a valid consideration for the court. But it didn't, so it wasn't.
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TrickedM wrote:


Sir_jamesalot wrote:

What is the usual number of years for murder?
That's how many he should have gotten.


It depends, I didn't read all of it but I know he got 12 yrs. Some murderers get only 6yrs, 15, etc. I could be wrong but I think 2nd and 3rd degree is usually 25-life, but I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to this so don't take my word.


First degree is a planned murder, and that's usually 25 years/life. Second degree is a spontaneous murder that was not premeditated, and that may get you closer to 15 depending on where you live. Third degree murder is a murder done completely by accident, that's probably what you were thinking of when you said the 6 years thing.

Also, he may have only gotten 12 years, but I'm sad to say he likely will only serve half of that. Getting a reduced sentence after the fact is pretty common (except for pedophiles I hear, thankfully) and with the North Carolina rulings it sadly does seem like they're gonna take it really easy on this killer.


Yeah. This is the same as the guy who punched a retarded kid and the kid died. But the guy got like 6 years in prison.

in law it doesn't matter whether the victim dies. What matters is the intent and actions. He beat up this person (doesnt matter if he's Trans or black or Asian or Hispanic or retarded). Did he beat him excessively to the point that you'd expect fatal injuries or was it just a brutal beating you'd expect to get a few bruises or minor sprains? That's what mattered.

The law is like that so you can't end up in prison for life for accidentally giving someone PBJ and them dying from an allergic reaction when you didn't know they had allergies.

if your intention is to beat someone up and not kill them, you should be culpable for battery and not homicide. But states vary on this in regards to criminal law, with the liberal states being less forgiving. In tort law it's even worse with some allowing lots of fault on the defendant no matter what the circumstances
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sundin13 wrote:

The question here is more "should this individual have been convicted of second-degree murder instead of first-degree manslaughter". The difference is mostly that manslaughter is "provoked" and heat of the moment. The classic example is a man who walks in on his wife cheating on him and immediately kills the other man.


Did you read the article Im pretty sure the killer was not "provoked".


I did nothing to inject my own opinion into the scenario and I don't really care to. I put provoked in quotation because although it is typically used to describe manslaughter, it isn't used in the traditional context. It moreso means that it was a reaction to a strong external stimulus. Still, make of it what you will, I'm just laying out the legal definitions.
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