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People don't vote for Hilary, that is a horrible mistake and also a mistake that could destroy the whole nation.

I don't care if people are like "Trump is crazy", yeah "CRAZY" but not a f*cking idiot that costed peoples and troops lives way before election like Hilary.



And Trump wouldn't? Trump would be a disaster. As would Ted Cruz, but probably somewhat less so. John Kasich might be OK. Hillary would not be good, but would certainly not be as disastrous as a Trump presidency. Bernie would be OK too.

So, in short: anyone but Trump!
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AzuroHeart wrote:

People don't vote for Hilary, that is a horrible mistake and also a mistake that could destroy the whole nation.

I don't care if people are like "Trump is crazy", yeah "CRAZY" but not a f*cking idiot that costed peoples and troops lives way before election like Hilary.



And Trump wouldn't? Trump would be a disaster. As would Ted Cruz, but probably somewhat less so. John Kasich might be OK. Hillary would not be good, but would certainly not be as disastrous as a Trump presidency. Bernie would be OK too.

So, in short: anyone but Trump!


Well I don't care for Trump either, sh*t, pretty much all the politicians are pretty f*cked.

Man, can anyone tell me what wrong with this nation's politics? Where did they come from?
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Well I don't care for Trump either, sh*t, pretty much all the politicians are pretty f*cked.

Man, can anyone tell me what wrong with this nation's politics? Where did they come from?


I blame, in this order:

Our First-Past-the-Post, Winner-Take-All election system. Ranked-choice voting would be much more fair, and break the stranglehold the two-party system has on the nation's politics. See http://www.fairvote.org/.

George W. Bush. - It may be my natural Gen X bias, but it sure seems like political discourse became sharply divided during and because of his administration. I'm not saying it wasn't before, but I believe the gulf (haha, geddit? Gulf? Persian Gulf? Ok, I'll see myself out) between Democrats and Republicans was seriously widened by him and his cronies, much to the detriment of both parties and the nation as a whole.

The Supreme Court - Citizens United. Enough said.

Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC, for fairly obvious reasons.

George Washington - For disliking political parties, yet helping to craft a system that guaranteed their formation.
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evilotakuneko wrote:


AzuroHeart wrote:
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Well I don't care for Trump either, sh*t, pretty much all the politicians are pretty f*cked.

Man, can anyone tell me what wrong with this nation's politics? Where did they come from?


I blame, in this order:

Our First-Past-the-Post, Winner-Take-All election system. Ranked-choice voting would be much more fair, and break the stranglehold the two-party system has on the nation's politics. See http://www.fairvote.org/.

George W. Bush. - It may be my natural Gen X bias, but it sure seems like political discourse became sharply divided during and because of his administration. I'm not saying it wasn't before, but I believe the gulf (haha, geddit? Gulf? Persian Gulf? Ok, I'll see myself out) between Democrats and Republicans was seriously widened by him and his cronies, much to the detriment of both parties and the nation as a whole.

The Supreme Court - Citizens United. Enough said.

Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC, for fairly obvious reasons.

George Washington - For disliking political parties, yet helping to craft a system that guaranteed their formation.


also:

religious fundamentalists who can't grasp the fact that not everyone is not a white heterosexual married with a bazillion kids and want to bring the country back to the 1800s. Just the way GOD intended things!
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evilotakuneko wrote:

Our First-Past-the-Post, Winner-Take-All election system. Ranked-choice voting would be much more fair, and break the stranglehold the two-party system has on the nation's politics. See http://www.fairvote.org/.

George Washington - For disliking political parties, yet helping to craft a system that guaranteed their formation.


He DIDN'T create a party system--He considered himself a supporter of Parliament's Whig (progressive) party, since we didn't have any of our own yet.

Candidates created their own "parties" out of their major platform (Trump would be the Wall Party), and whoever supported them. Even when Lincoln "created" the Republican party, it wasn't about being racist and trying to get rid of taxes, it was about the one big wartime-button issue of preserving the Republic...Get it?
Whoever got the second most votes (or tied-broken by the House of Representatives vote) would get to be Vice President, which ended up putting rivals in the same office...Slight problem. Thus the need for parties to unite and pick their own running mates, after the four-way mess of the Jefferson v. Adams v. Burr v. Hamilton election.
There wasn't much of an issue for actual party lines to split until the creation of the Federal system, which split those looking for a strong central government away from those who wanted state sovereignty.
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Given Bill, his daily regime should probably be keeping his mouth shut to keep his foot out of it. >.>




evilotakuneko wrote:
George W. Bush. - It may be my natural Gen X bias, but it sure seems like political discourse became sharply divided during and because of his administration. I'm not saying it wasn't before, but I believe the gulf (haha, geddit? Gulf? Persian Gulf? Ok, I'll see myself out) between Democrats and Republicans was seriously widened by him and his cronies, much to the detriment of both parties and the nation as a whole.


It did, yes. Republicans were actually moving left to center before Bush took office. By 2003-4 they were making a running sprint away from center to the far right. The narrowest gap of political polarization was after 9/11 when both sides were close to center. But by 2003 the right started moving away from center and continued to do so until today.

The left, meanwhile, stayed where it was on the political spectrum from 1998 to 2011. But at 2011 there's a backlash and it starts moving left after 7-8 years of the right moving further right. This is all according to the Pew Research Center.

The main topics polarizing on the two sides are thus:




Republicans ditched social safety programs, environmental protection, unions, equality and immigration while becoming more religious.
Democrats became less religious and more secular while staying relatively consistent on most topics. With an uptick in support for equality and immigration.

The green line is independents, who generally stick to the middle ground but have also become far less religious over time and support immigration.

Republicans just totally jettisoning the enviroment is perhaps the most dramatic change. I wonder if you overlaid the rise in the "global warming is a myth" bullshit on this timeline if it would correlate to the decline.


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