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Posted 4/20/16
I think all matt black clothes and helmet on a black bike is like pedestrians that cross the road at a designated crossing without looking both ways first, if the pedestrian gets hit then it's the other person's fault because of the location.
And while the victim isn't held responsible, I still feel they are in a way acting irresponsibly for not thinking about their own safety and relying on others to do that for them.

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I think it's contradicting for someone to dress stealthy and complain when they weren't as easy to see as everyone else. What do you think?
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I hate people who J-Walk and then try to blame the driver for hitting them.
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So you're saying that someone who is dressed in matte black on a lighted vehicle is being irresponsible. I take it, then, that you think people who drive black cars are also irresponsible because their cars are hard to see at night.
Motorcyclists do engage in reckless behaviors, but wearing black and riding black bikes isn't one of them any more than if they were dressed in pink and riding a unicorn. It is everyone's responsibility to drive safely.
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gornotck wrote:

So you're saying that someone who is dressed in matte black on a lighted vehicle is being irresponsible.


I didn't say "lighted".

Mabe a better word would be "camouflage"
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gornotck wrote:

So you're saying that someone who is dressed in matte black on a lighted vehicle is being irresponsible. I take it, then, that you think people who drive black cars are also irresponsible because their cars are hard to see at night.
Motorcyclists do engage in reckless behaviors, but wearing black and riding black bikes isn't one of them any more than if they were dressed in pink and riding a unicorn. It is everyone's responsibility to drive safely.


Really, I think that's why you're supposed to keep your lights on to begin with... in fact in Italy there was a law for a while that lights had to be on AT ALL TIMES, including day, as it seemingly increased the ability of people to notice and react to vehicles.

I mean, if there were no lights, then sure, driving a black bike, dressed in black, at night WOULD be irresponsible. But that's why there are lights and high-visibility reflective plates on key points of all vehicles, so that the colour doesn't matter that much any more.
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gornotck wrote:

So you're saying that someone who is dressed in matte black on a lighted vehicle is being irresponsible. I take it, then, that you think people who drive black cars are also irresponsible because their cars are hard to see at night.
Motorcyclists do engage in reckless behaviors, but wearing black and riding black bikes isn't one of them any more than if they were dressed in pink and riding a unicorn. It is everyone's responsibility to drive safely.


Really, I think that's why you're supposed to keep your lights on to begin with... in fact in Italy there was a law for a while that lights had to be on AT ALL TIMES, including day, as it seemingly increased the ability of people to notice and react to vehicles.

I mean, if there were no lights, then sure, driving a black bike, dressed in black, at night WOULD be irresponsible. But that's why there are lights and high-visibility reflective plates on key points of all vehicles, so that the colour doesn't matter that much any more.


I don't think it should be treated like the idea that red cars go faster.
Hi-vis is a thing and it's mandatory for workers and in some places it's also mandatory for riders for similar reasons.
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Posted 4/20/16 , edited 4/20/16
I think it's fine as long as they are following the rules of the road and all that other safety stuff. Although it would probably be a safer idea to choose another color besides matte black, cause it might make them easier to see.
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Sir_jamesalot wrote:


gornotck wrote:

So you're saying that someone who is dressed in matte black on a lighted vehicle is being irresponsible.


I didn't say "lighted".

Mabe a better word would be "camouflage"


He meant the headlight and tail light are on, shining bright... They are always on it's not even optional to turn off. The only way a motorcycle headlight would be off is if it's not street legal ( no headlight at all), or wiring has been tampered with, or the bulb burned out.

I wear a black helmet, black jacket, and my bike happens to be black... so I may be biased but What's important is expecting more than just than cars when looking in your mirrors, or looking anywhere.

In what situation exactly did you have trouble seeing a motorcycle? Changing lanes? Reversing? Where was this hard to see motorcycle?
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In what situation exactly did you have trouble seeing a motorcycle? Changing lanes? Reversing? Where was this hard to see motorcycle?


The one I saw was at a "T" intersection in the shade and going down hill with the road as a background and wanted to cross in front of me, I would have let him If I saw him.
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In that situation a black helmet makes him less conspicuous, but getting T-boned by a speeding motorcycle won't be very fun for you either, so it couldn't hurt to look more carefully... Personally I don't think it's anyone's responsibility but my own for my safety, and I have to watch out for all kinds of assholes on phones and shit, so how about you put a little more effort into your own crash prevention for your sake and give a little more thought to us asshole bikers?
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First rule of riding:
Expect everyone not to notice you.

Then again.... its personal responsibility. It would be the same as a Harley rider with a brain scoop helmet and nothing else. its his choice to wear the bare minimum the law allows.

Personally I'm fine with all dark gear. Thats if I know I'll be riding in good sunny days. Would I wear it at night? Hell no. I would make sure all my riding would be done well before sunset.
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My jacket is black leather, and looking at it during the day you would never notice that every seam is sewn with reflective tape in it. Shine a light on it after dark and it looks like something from Tron. The store I bought it at said most of their stuff was made that way for safety.
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I think pedestrians can wear what they want. If drivers are paying attention and following the rules, nobody should get hit just because they are dressed in black. That being said I am primarily a pedestrian myself, and I know that when I walk at night my safety is my responsibility. Would I sue the crap out of someone that ran me over? Absolutely. But in my heart I would know it's probably my fault :)

Intentionally making yourself hard to see on a motorcycle is just a terrible idea though. The stakes are so much higher, and the risk is so much greater. Riding at night is already relatively dangerous, even when you take proper precautions.
Posted 4/20/16
If I had a motorcycle I would paint it a bright red so it would be more visible. I also probably wouldn't drive on a highway at night.
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Posted 4/20/16 , edited 4/20/16
I think people wearing all black gear are a little silly. I mean they appear to be attention grabbers that just want people to think they're cool. When all you are really doing to forsaking some visibility to look good.
That being said I don't think murdered out bikes and riding gear are much harder to see. At night all you can see are a bikes lights anyways. I would like to mention to all riders that have their high-beams on at night all the time, you are retarded, somebody is going to be blinded and plow you off the road because you are just plain stupid. They say have your highbeams on during the day, I think this is a useless practice, but at least not dangerous like keeping them on at night in traffic is.
The most important rule of riding is that most people can't see you until you literally are right in front of them, the next rules is that some people are paying attention so don't ride like a jerk just because you think they aren't watching, you'll give bikes a bad name that way. Lane-splitting should be legal, but here it isn't so don't do it. The next rule is remember that you're on a bike, you should be having fun, don't get scared of the cars on the road just because they can't see you well, they move slow and predictably, just pay attention!
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