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Post Reply Can the U.S. be Invaded and conquered without Nukes?
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Posted 4/22/16
I'm not an incredibly nationalistic American or anything who believes we are invincible, but I ask this because after seeing it deliberated on various forums, other than with the use of a Nuclear arsenal, invading the United States old school seems highly improbable without massive casualties. Consider the following:

1) The United States has the largest military in the world with the largest budget invested into it, with our arsenal expanding constantly thanks to large military spending and the number of jobs this spending provides. Furthermore, the sheer intelligence network the United States has via personnel and satellites available would make the U.S. aware of any surprise attacks before they occur.

2) The United States Navy is massive, the most advanced in the world as of today, and the United States is surrounded by water on two sides

3) Most of the huge military bases in the United States are set up at the coasts, with the East Coast more densely protected by military and with no prime landing spots to take advantage of and the West Coast having the advantage of the Pacific Ocean, Hawaii, and the Rocky Mountains as natural barriers/warning systems against attacks.

4) The United States Air-force and the sheer amount of Aircraft carriers deployed and active as of right now make paratrooping and airstrikes a risky and unrealistic endeavor, especially on the West Coast. Even if an army succeeded in doing this, they'd be worn down and run out of supplies quickly without any secure supply chain.

5) The civilian population is a standing militia, with plenty of people willing to take up arms to defend their nation (especially in the South, Texas, and in rural areas) that can support the military in times of national emergency, even if just to relay supplies to troops.

6) Attacking from the northern border is foolish as Canada is one of the United State's best allies and marching troops through tundra and swampland would wear them down before you even reached the northern border, not to mention the United States would support Canada if invaded, making invasion improbable without mass casualties.

7) Attacking from the southern border would force troops to trek the hot, arid deserts of Mexico, another U.S. ally that the United States would support if invaded and that can still put up a fight, and would inevitably end in troops being worn down and bottle-necked between military bases in California and Texas in the middle of the desert on U.S. home turf.

As I mentioned, the United States isn't invincible or anything, but is there any probable way to even invade the U.S. without using nukes or without requiring one of the largest military alliances in human history?
Posted 4/22/16
Easy, just wait for the sun to do its solar super mega flare thing to take out all the satellites, power-grids, anything with unprotected circuits, etc etc, then just roll in with good old fashioned gas-powered boats and guns and horses.
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Posted 4/22/16 , edited 4/23/16
it's not just about the strength of the military, but also the information that the US army have over potential threads.
someone trying to invade would have to somehow defeat intelligence gathering operations, which is by the way done in collaboration with allies. let's not forget the use of satellite to monitor anything that can be considered a threat.
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Posted 4/22/16
A better question is 'Who would want to invade that country?'
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Posted 4/22/16 , edited 4/27/16
It's easy to invade America...

wait, nice try, FBI, you almost got me!
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Posted 4/22/16
Considering almost everyone has a gun, probably not.
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We could be destroyed from the inside out. Although in fairness any civilization is vulnerable to this.
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What are the Americans going to do? Shoot dollar bills at us? Wait FBI I'm INNOCENT I SWEAR.
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Well, if you wanted to invade America, you're have to set it up for a LONG TIME, like setting up an object for someone to trip over. You can't just throw a leg in their path and expect to trip them up. First, you get them to elect a pacifist or just generally peaceful president to neuter the military, or just fund it less. Then, create some kind of huge controversy (or as many as you can, as long as they're huge) to draw attention away. Become America's ally, so they'd expect you last. Then, assassinate as many major leaders/generals/politicians as possible to create panic and disarray. Invade from Canada preferably, because Texas is going to be the most dangerous state to take down due to rednecks (though a majority of the south will be very difficult, like Kentucky, Louisiana, Florida and Georgia which also have large populations of rednecks). The most difficult parts are not being detected in the first place (because the CIA spies on it's allies even), and then the counter attacks from intact bases, the worst being from air support due to air superiority and ground attack planes such as the A-10.

But the whole thing would be fruitless anyways, because our rights to bear weaponry. America owns the most guns in the world, and we already fought the biggest world power off not once, but TWICE (though they kinda did burn the white house during the war of 1812...), so a single country, even China wouldn't last. And I'm not even getting into the kind of ingenuity that's born from a mix of desperation and patriotism (not desperate people have already built hand-held low-power rail guns and gauss rifles). A resistance that salvaged even part of the military (should it be defeated), would be at overwhelming advantage to almost every other country, except maybe China.

Long answer short: No, the US would need to have been EMP'd for any other military to even stand a chance, but even then, most military vehicles and equipment is EMP hardened for just such a scenario. America also has the most experienced armies that can operate very effectively even without advanced equipment.
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Posted 4/22/16
If a non-state actor invades, who do you nuke?
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Posted 4/22/16 , edited 4/23/16
8) They tried once, but Chuck Norris stopped them.

(Actually, we WERE invaded without nukes, back in 1812, but the incompetence on both sides of the war was staggering.
We were both at one point beaten up by Canadians. Yes.)
Posted 4/22/16
It wouldn't be impossible.
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Like what someone eariler mentioned, America can probably be taken down by regular citizens. Think about it, not including government aids like social security income and medicare who really runs America? Who gives you food? Farmers and yourself. Who gives you water? The water company and yourself. If people just decided one day to just stop working America would shut down.

That said America can take on and take over ALMOST any country, but they can't take down Chicago, or a city in California. The other day in this ghetto not far away from where I live a cop was chasing someone and the cop got jumped! Not a good thing, but gives you a idea of what I'm talking about.
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http://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/how-long-the-us-military-would-last-against-the-rest-of-the-world

The amount of cultivates that would be taken would deter anyone for trying. Also the rest of the world doesn't have the logistics capability to conduct a sustained operation against the united states to make any major foothold.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=united-states-of-america


Not to mention the true Guerrilla fighters coming out the wood works, you have to remember, The united states is the original birthplace of Insurgency and Guerrilla Tactics. The original Red Dawn highlights what would happen across the country to a occupying force.
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