Why is it sometimes so hard to be human even if you are one yourself?

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qualeshia3 48762 cr points Send Message: 27 / F / New Jersey, USA Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 4/25/16 Ranwolf wrote: Humanity is a weakness, it's demands upon our psyche break great and lesser people all the time. PTSD destroys fine men and women in uniform. Postnatal depression destroys mother the world round and their children and their partners. And what have we done with our humanity, with these emotions that make us human? War, Environmental damage so severe there may be no fixing it, Overpopulation , Famine, Disease, Greed. We are killing not only ourselves as a species but the world around us. What gives us that right to not only choose suicide for ourselves but for those around us? What is Humanity? Sinner or Saint? Can't humanity be both?
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	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 4/25/16 qualeshia3 wrote: ZavinRoyalheart wrote: qualeshia3 wrote: ZavinRoyalheart wrote: You are a human. no? All of your experiences as a human are part of what it means to be human. What is this talk of learning humanity. Do you mean what I think you mean? What do you mean? Ok. I don't want you take any offense to this but learning humanity sounds like an autism/aspergers thing. I very slowly learned my social skills over time and I still don't have it down completely. Autism/Asperger? Didn't think of it as that. It just sounds familiar to me.
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Ranwolf 19836 cr points Send Message: 30 / M / B.C, Canada Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 4/25/16 qualeshia3 wrote: Ranwolf wrote: Humanity is a weakness, it's demands upon our psyche break great and lesser people all the time. PTSD destroys fine men and women in uniform. Postnatal depression destroys mother the world round and their children and their partners. And what have we done with our humanity, with these emotions that make us human? War, Environmental damage so severe there may be no fixing it, Overpopulation , Famine, Disease, Greed. We are killing not only ourselves as a species but the world around us. What gives us that right to not only choose suicide for ourselves but for those around us? What is Humanity? Sinner or Saint? Can't humanity be both? Despite the fact I refuse to allow the concept of grey that does bring up an interesting concept. If 50% of Humanity are sinners does that not mean they are worthy of punishment if not outright death?
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ahatestory 36360 cr points Send Message: 36 / M Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 4/25/16 qualeshia3 wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide ahatestory wrote: qualeshia3 wrote: ahatestory wrote: It is difficult because there isn't a clear definition other than a biological one; once society gets involved, which it inevitably does when humans are concerned, it's all over. To be human seems to involve balancing the desires of the individual and the society they live in; the conflicts between those are what makes it difficult: Is it more human to act for oneself or for others? To restrict one's freedoms in favor of others'? To follow social norms or rules one dislikes or to act against them? If one gives in to their desires, they are bound to do something that will harm others, and be shunned for it, possibly even being considered inhuman. If one ignores their desires to meet others desires instead, are they giving up their humanity? A Clockwork Orange comes to mind... Society can also be a problem too when it comes to understanding how humans work. My desire is to understand the way humans work in hopes of better understanding myself. Is it weird that I thought about how to tackle your comment and couldn't get through it? I wouldn't say it's weird. To be honest, I'd say my reply was a bit tangential to the questions you posed, so it'd make sense if you weren't in the frame of mind to tackle it. Also, I wouldn't say the questions in my comment are easy to answer, personally; they probably don't even have a right answer. Actually, I find some of your original post a little hard to understand, particularly, " I don't understand opinions, emotions and other human things." Are you saying you don't understand why people have those things? Why they act on them? If they should act on them? I guess it wasn't clear to me what kind of answers you were looking for, so that's probably why I posted something somewhat philosophical. I don't understand opinions because each one is different. We as a whole are different which is why are opinion differ than others. I don't really understand it when some says "everyone is entitled to their opinion" while the other person says "everyone is not entitled to their opinion". I'm saying I don't understand why we act on those things. The first question is easy - everyone is entitled to have opinions, they can only be prevented from expressing them. So far as why we act on opinions or emotions or anything else, perhaps it's just the purpose of those things to motivate actions? Otherwise, they would be pointless, which would make acting on them pointless as well, which starts to paint a rather dreary picture of life...
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qualeshia3 48762 cr points Send Message: 27 / F / New Jersey, USA Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 4/25/16 Ranwolf wrote: qualeshia3 wrote: Ranwolf wrote: Humanity is a weakness, it's demands upon our psyche break great and lesser people all the time. PTSD destroys fine men and women in uniform. Postnatal depression destroys mother the world round and their children and their partners. And what have we done with our humanity, with these emotions that make us human? War, Environmental damage so severe there may be no fixing it, Overpopulation , Famine, Disease, Greed. We are killing not only ourselves as a species but the world around us. What gives us that right to not only choose suicide for ourselves but for those around us? What is Humanity? Sinner or Saint? Can't humanity be both? Despite the fact I refuse to allow the concept of grey that does bring up an interesting concept. If 50% of Humanity are sinners does that not mean they are worthy of punishment if not outright death? I'm not so sure.
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qualeshia3 48762 cr points Send Message: 27 / F / New Jersey, USA Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 4/25/16 Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide ahatestory wrote: qualeshia3 wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide ahatestory wrote: qualeshia3 wrote: ahatestory wrote: It is difficult because there isn't a clear definition other than a biological one; once society gets involved, which it inevitably does when humans are concerned, it's all over. To be human seems to involve balancing the desires of the individual and the society they live in; the conflicts between those are what makes it difficult: Is it more human to act for oneself or for others? To restrict one's freedoms in favor of others'? To follow social norms or rules one dislikes or to act against them? If one gives in to their desires, they are bound to do something that will harm others, and be shunned for it, possibly even being considered inhuman. If one ignores their desires to meet others desires instead, are they giving up their humanity? A Clockwork Orange comes to mind... Society can also be a problem too when it comes to understanding how humans work. My desire is to understand the way humans work in hopes of better understanding myself. Is it weird that I thought about how to tackle your comment and couldn't get through it? I wouldn't say it's weird. To be honest, I'd say my reply was a bit tangential to the questions you posed, so it'd make sense if you weren't in the frame of mind to tackle it. Also, I wouldn't say the questions in my comment are easy to answer, personally; they probably don't even have a right answer. Actually, I find some of your original post a little hard to understand, particularly, " I don't understand opinions, emotions and other human things." Are you saying you don't understand why people have those things? Why they act on them? If they should act on them? I guess it wasn't clear to me what kind of answers you were looking for, so that's probably why I posted something somewhat philosophical. I don't understand opinions because each one is different. We as a whole are different which is why are opinion differ than others. I don't really understand it when some says "everyone is entitled to their opinion" while the other person says "everyone is not entitled to their opinion". I'm saying I don't understand why we act on those things. The first question is easy - everyone is entitled to have opinions, they can only be prevented from expressing them. So far as why we act on opinions or emotions or anything else, perhaps it's just the purpose of those things to motivate actions? Otherwise, they would be pointless, which would make acting on them pointless as well, which starts to paint a rather dreary picture of life... I think that everyone is entitled to say how they feel because there is no right or wrong answer when it comes to opinions. But it's complicated because I see insults as opinions too but people will say that isn't the case.
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qualeshia3 48762 cr points Send Message: 27 / F / New Jersey, USA Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 4/25/16 ZavinRoyalheart wrote: qualeshia3 wrote: ZavinRoyalheart wrote: qualeshia3 wrote: ZavinRoyalheart wrote: You are a human. no? All of your experiences as a human are part of what it means to be human. What is this talk of learning humanity. Do you mean what I think you mean? What do you mean? Ok. I don't want you take any offense to this but learning humanity sounds like an autism/aspergers thing. I very slowly learned my social skills over time and I still don't have it down completely. Autism/Asperger? Didn't think of it as that. It just sounds familiar to me. Oh, okay. Do you have autism/asperger ?
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Ranwolf 19836 cr points Send Message: 30 / M / B.C, Canada Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 4/25/16 qualeshia3 wrote: I'm not so sure. Well we can't have it both ways can we. Those who do wrong should be punished no? And given you just painted Humanity as both Sinner and Saint one could also argue we are all hypocrites or at the very least divided down a very polarizing moral and ethical line . And that can't lead to anything good in the long run now can it?
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qualeshia3 48762 cr points Send Message: 27 / F / New Jersey, USA Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 4/25/16 Ranwolf wrote: qualeshia3 wrote: I'm not so sure. Well we can't have it both ways can we. Those who do wrong should be punished no? And given you just painted Humanity as both Sinner and Saint one could also argue we are all hypocrites or at the very least divided down a very polarizing moral and ethical line . And that can't lead to anything good in the long run now can it? Well humans do commit a lot of sins but sometimes we do things by virtue. That is the only reason why I mention my earlier comment.
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Ranwolf 19836 cr points Send Message: 30 / M / B.C, Canada Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 4/25/16 qualeshia3 wrote: Well humans do commit a lot of sins but sometimes we do things by virtue. That is the only reason why I mention my earlier comment. Yes and that is the problem I have with humanity, we only sometimes do things virtuously. Most of the time as a whole we are nothing but selfish animals who don't give a damn about anyone but ourselves. And those that do care about more than themselves tend to limit it to family and close friends. This despite the face most religions, and philosophies both spiritual and atheist praise the concepts of duty, self-sacrifice,and giving to your fellow man regardless of their connection to you. I frankly find it sickening that we as a species recognize the values of acting beyond our own selfishness but keep insisting on living in shit with the pigs ya know.
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qualeshia3 48762 cr points Send Message: 27 / F / New Jersey, USA Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 4/25/16 Ranwolf wrote: qualeshia3 wrote: Well humans do commit a lot of sins but sometimes we do things by virtue. That is the only reason why I mention my earlier comment. Yes and that is the problem I have with humanity, we only sometimes do things virtuously. Most of the time as a whole we are nothing but selfish animals who don't give a damn about anyone but ourselves. And those that do care about more than themselves tend to limit it to family and close friends. This despite the face most religions, and philosophies both spiritual and atheist praise the concepts of duty, self-sacrifice,and giving to your fellow man regardless of their connection to you. I frankly find it sickening that we as a species recognize the values of acting beyond our own selfishness but keep insisting on living in shit with the pigs ya know. I like to think of humanity as a bad child. That bad child is still growing and learing as much as he can in life. But the bad child does the things it does because it doesn't know any better. Humans commits sins because they don't know any better and are still learning. But then how could I explain why do human commit virtues if it's such a bad child. Maybe humans don't know what they're doing. Human are indeed selfish creatures but we're still immature. This probably doesn't make sense but I tried to make the best of your comment. Sorry.
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	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 4/25/16 Humans are complex we think we feel.. why are you being hard on yourself are you happy with your current situation maybe you have not found inner peace?
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Ranwolf 19836 cr points Send Message: 30 / M / B.C, Canada Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 4/25/16 qualeshia3 wrote: I like to think of humanity as a bad child. That bad child is still growing and learing as much as he can in life. But the bad child does the things it does because it doesn't know any better. Humans commits sins because they don't know any better and are still learning. But then how could I explain why do human commit virtues if it's such a bad child. Maybe humans don't know what they're doing. Human are indeed selfish creatures but we're still immature. This probably doesn't make sense but I tried to make the best of your comment. Sorry. We are what nearly 30 or 40,000 years old as a species? We've split the atom, gone into space,and can wage war with a frightening capacity for destruction . We are no longer children it's time we stopped acting like it.
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qualeshia3 48762 cr points Send Message: 27 / F / New Jersey, USA Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 4/25/16 ck1west wrote: Humans are complex we think we feel.. why are you being hard on yourself are you happy with your current situation maybe you have not found inner peace? I've always been hard on myself ever since I was a little girl. I comes with having low self esteem.
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qualeshia3 48762 cr points Send Message: 27 / F / New Jersey, USA Offline	Permalink Reply Quote Posted 4/25/16 Ranwolf wrote: qualeshia3 wrote: I like to think of humanity as a bad child. That bad child is still growing and learing as much as he can in life. But the bad child does the things it does because it doesn't know any better. Humans commits sins because they don't know any better and are still learning. But then how could I explain why do human commit virtues if it's such a bad child. Maybe humans don't know what they're doing. Human are indeed selfish creatures but we're still immature. This probably doesn't make sense but I tried to make the best of your comment. Sorry. We are what nearly 30 or 40,000 years old as a species? We've split the atom, gone into space,and can wage war with a frightening capacity for destruction . We are no longer children it's time we stopped acting like it. I agree somewhat but that takes time.
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