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Post Reply Why don't pro-life people advocate defunding the NRA instead?
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Posted 4/28/16 , edited 5/2/16
Actually I'm not sure if you can really "defund" the NRA because I don't know whether it receives funds from the government like Planned Parenthood. This question is in reaction to all the conservatives wanting to defund PP for accusing them of using taxpayer money to subsidize costs of actual abortions performed for low income women.

The reason I suggested DEfunding the NRA instead is because isn't the NRA technically pro-DEATH? If you own a gun, it is actually 30 times more likely that you'll shoot yourself than an invader will. They advocate the use of deadly force by a private individual as a means to ensure one's protection from whatever they feel they need protection from. Think about it, every time a person dies from being shot equals another buck for the NRA and gun makers. Every dollar in their bank accounts and thick wallets has blood tied to it.
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You're making a logical mistake to assume 'people owning guns causes them to more likely shoot themselves'.

It is circular. People who pursue death obtain guns for the purpose of shooting themselves and people who own guns are more likely to pursue death--more so through the use of a gun.

I would not be so quick to assign the causation of suicides by their methodology. You're discounting too many variables. Suicide rates are pretty stagnate, even in comparison with other countries that do heavily restrict guns.



You also do little for your argument by shaming others into saying they have blood on their hands.
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I got a good laugh out of this. Thank you. Made my day.
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I got a good laugh out of this. Thank you. Made my day.


You devil, you.

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This doesn't make sense.
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I was going to write a long-arse post, but fuck it.

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You're making a logical mistake to assume 'people owning guns causes them to more likely shoot themselves'.

It is circular. People who pursue death obtain guns for the purpose of shooting themselves and people who own guns are more likely to pursue death--more so through the use of a gun.

No it's a real statistic. You're assuming I was referring to people with suicidal thoughts and those who have committed suicide. This group I doubt even fits into the statistic to any significant degree. What it refers to is ACCIDENTAL incidents of being shot by oneself as opposed to the actual numbers of people shot by a home invader.

Sorry I apparently worded in a way that made you misunderstand.


I would not be so quick to assign the causation of suicides by their methodology. You're discounting too many variables. Suicide rates are pretty stagnate, even in comparison with other countries that do heavily restrict guns.



You also do little for your argument by shaming others into saying they have blood on their hands.

I'm shaming the gun companies and the rich NRA execs, not the consumers or people such as yourself who might be a gun enthusiast.
Kind of the same way we it might be fine to shame Wall Street Bank execs for corrupt business practices and outrageous interest rates, not the people who bank at those banks.

And please realize what this thread is ACTUALLY about: the hypocrisy of Pro-Lifers with their "oh life is sacred" mantra yet it's very common for the same people to support the NRA and their pro-death messages.

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I was going to write a long-arse post, but fuck it.

Yeah I really can't wait until Ranwolf or Rujikin replies.

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Posted 4/28/16 , edited 4/28/16
I realize this is just a bait topic, but meh, whatever.

For one, you don't even know that they receive federal money, whereas Planned Parenthood does. NRA likely doesn't, directly anyway. Indirectly, I wouldn't be surprised if they utilize tax exemptions (loop-holes), some possible even designed with them in mind. However, many conservatives are for reducing/eliminating most exemptions, especially those tailor made for corporations or special interest groups.

The NRA doesn't kill anyone, they are just a civil rights association that advocates for citizens to be able to continue to buy and use tools. The tools have multiple reasons for desirability - self defense, hunting, sport (shooting skeet/targets), and display among the possible legal uses, and illegal uses include murder and suicide. While Planned Parenthood directly kills babies (call them "zygotes" if you will, they are human offspring).
Posted 4/28/16 , edited 4/28/16

PrinceJudar wrote:

You're making a logical mistake to assume 'people owning guns causes them to more likely shoot themselves'.

It is circular. People who pursue death obtain guns for the purpose of shooting themselves and people who own guns are more likely to pursue death--more so through the use of a gun.

I would not be so quick to assign the causation of suicides by their methodology. You're discounting too many variables. Suicide rates are pretty stagnate, even in comparison with other countries that do heavily restrict guns.



You also do little for your argument by shaming others into saying they have blood on their hands.




You have such a florescent flowering flow to your arguments.

I can't wait to challenge it. (IF I ever get off my lazy butt and do it).

Posted 4/28/16

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PrinceJudar wrote:

You're making a logical mistake to assume 'people owning guns causes them to more likely shoot themselves'.

It is circular. People who pursue death obtain guns for the purpose of shooting themselves and people who own guns are more likely to pursue death--more so through the use of a gun.

No it's a real statistic. You're assuming I was referring to people with suicidal thoughts and those who have committed suicide. This group I doubt even fits into the statistic to any significant degree. What it refers to is ACCIDENTAL incidents of being shot by oneself as opposed to the actual numbers of people shot by a home invader.

Sorry I apparently worded in a way that made you misunderstand.


I would not be so quick to assign the causation of suicides by their methodology. You're discounting too many variables. Suicide rates are pretty stagnate, even in comparison with other countries that do heavily restrict guns.



You also do little for your argument by shaming others into saying they have blood on their hands.

I'm shaming the gun companies and the rich NRA execs, not the consumers or people such as yourself who might be a gun enthusiast.
Kind of the same way we it might be fine to shame Wall Street Bank execs for corrupt business practices and outrageous interest rates, not the people who bank at those banks.

And please realize what this thread is ACTUALLY about: the hypocrisy of Pro-Lifers with their "oh life is sacred" mantra yet it's very common for the same people to support the NRA and their pro-death messages.



I would think that caring for the life of an unborn child that has had no equal opportunity given to it, is a little bit different than using a gun to protect my loved ones. What is your argument? Who do you have negative feelings to? IS it how you feel or it how you think?
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You have such a florescent flowering flow to your arguments.

I can't wait to challenge it. (IF I ever get off my lazy butt and do it).



Hah! I welcome a challenge if you ever do, one can tell I really like it.

"Fluorescent flowering flow" is more flow than I have. That sounds like a sweet ass skill move.

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WeeabooWarrior wrote:



You have such a florescent flowering flow to your arguments.

I can't wait to challenge it. (IF I ever get off my lazy butt and do it).



Hah! I welcome a challenge if you ever do, one can tell I really like it.

"Fluorescent flowering flow" is more flow than I have. That sounds like a sweet ass skill move.



Well, to be honest, I've been doing quite a bit of thinking about a certain subject you and I both find interesting...although I know when you're interested and you aren't, just by the sheer quantity and quality of your posts.

It sure is fun being a P! (ENFP IS ME!) *Were not as stupid as we act you know!*
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WeeabooWarrior wrote:

Well, to be honest, I've been doing quite a bit of thinking about a certain subject you and I both find interesting...although I know when you're interested and you aren't, just by the sheer quantity and quality of your posts.

It sure is fun being a P! (ENFP IS ME!) *Were not as stupid as we act you know!*




That's a really good indicator actually, lol. You got me curious now, mate.
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Posted 4/28/16 , edited 4/30/16
'Cause it's obviously in the Bible:

Thou shall have the freedom to protect thyself from intruders because God Loves Guns while protecting oneself from those whores who want to kill their babies! DUH
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