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Lady is a cunt but she's right... This guy looks like a fucking loser taking advantage of the system.


You can extrapolate his entire life and motives from a youtube video, can you?



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Bullshit. Even at minimum wage unless this guy has like 4-5 kids that's 40 hours a week at 7.25(Federal minimum) PLUS 18 hours of overtime/time and a half... That is about $485 dollars a WEEK...


....right, because we all take home our gross income.



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Just look at how this man is dressed and trimmed... He's way too fucking skinny for construction ESPECIALLY if he's working 58 hours a week... And no fucking way is a construction labor job paying no $7.25 for hard labor. Anyway, man is healthy and should be working, not living off of that gov'ment cheese.


Lets just take a moment to appreciate that "dyme420" is judging a dude's work ethic at Walmart based on appearances. -.-



LOL you don't have to be muscular or "untrimmed" to work in construction. I've seen lots of IRL people who aren't...... dude hahahahahahaa
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Lady is a cunt but she's right... This guy looks like a fucking loser taking advantage of the system.

Now correct me of I'm wrong but I think I did hear at the start, "Look lady I put in 58 hour weeks..."

Bullshit. Even at minimum wage unless this guy has like 4-5 kids that's 40 hours a week at 7.25(Federal minimum) PLUS 18 hours of overtime/time and a half... That is about $485 dollars a WEEK... What the fuck are you spending that money on if not food and living expenses that you NEED to rely on foodstamps? But the smart money is on him not working at fucking all... Just look at how this man is dressed and trimmed... He's way too fucking skinny for construction ESPECIALLY if he's working 58 hours a week... And no fucking way is a construction labor job paying no $7.25 for hard labor. Anyway, man is healthy and should be working, not living off of that gov'ment cheese.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PArF9k2SbQk


First off food stamps are determined by money coming in vs. debts/monthly housing and medical upkeep and bills. Let's say you're right that he's making $488 a week...that's $1,953 a month. Pay taxes? Got a medical plan? Pay Forced FICA? (of course you do, there's no option to say no to it legally). Live in a house? Mortgage? Property tax? Home owner's insurance? Flood insurance? Earthquake insurance? Heating oil? Gas? Repair bills? Own a car? Monthly payments? Lease payments? Gasoline? Repair bills? Any outstanding medical bills? School loans? If you don't own a house do you rent an apartment?

Those are just the starter question. Now add in the factor of a wife and children, illness and travel costs for a job.

And for the poster with the assinine comment of "you shouldn't have had kids if you couldn't afford it". Ever hear of someone being able to afford something BEFORE they lost their job or business only to not be able to afford it after the fact. We're not all "psychics" like you y'know. We can't predict when our job will be downsized or phased out. About 10 years ago there were over 100 CmpUSA and Computer City locations in my area. All went belly up leaving empty locations that took many years to fill. There were no "miracle" job openings that just "magically" appeared.

This woman in the article is the very best example of a case of "diarrhea" affecting the mouth and brain. She's most likely a silver spoon baby who never had to work a day in her life and married so that that never changed. Unlike others, I WOULD like for her to experience it herself. Sometimes that's what it takes to get someone to think with their brain instead of speaking out of their ass.


No dude, I don't think the women deserves that. I know you probably didn't watch the video, but you have to understand where she's coming from.

There she is working hard (or not) and she has like 1-2 kids that you can see. She's tired and she's working and here's THIS LOSER-LOOKING GUY who's right in front of her, who seems calmer than her and less tired IN THE SAME EXACT SITUATION AS HER. He has a kid too and is buying stuff too right in front of her. THE DIFFERENCE IS, HE'S GETTING HELP FROM THE GOVERNMENT WHEREAS SHE'S BUSTING HER ASS.

It's the same thing as if you're at school studying and the teacher just randomly hands answers to the kid next to you while it took you hours to figure it out last night.
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Like I mentioned in another post, be as compassionate and caring to anyone of your choosing as much as you please. Just don't do it with state violence then claim moral ground. Which, is why I said in my first response to OP, "Lady is a cunt, but she's right." and proceeded to side with her. Not because she's a nice person, but because she is correct and entitled to be angry.

Other than what's shown I can only speculate with judgements. I'm not going to dismantle the video piece by piece, discover and investigate the people involved and their situations. I simply replied then got replied to with, "Oh well maybe you just don't know the situation!!" and that's what spawned the discussion about personal responsibility. It doesn't matter how sad the story is, if they were responsible people living within their means with a back up plan and or good people in their lives, there wouldn't be a problem.


Like I said, your belief in personal responsibility holds no more weight than the belief in compassion that you are arguing against. Its fine to debate about your own viewpoint and try to explain why you hold it, but trying to diminish the viewpoints of others because they are subjective is just hypocritical when your viewpoint holds no more objectivity than theirs.

Further, 44% of Americans don't have a safety net that would keep them out of poverty for three months (SOURCE: http://www.npr.org/2013/01/30/170561872/study-nearly-half-in-u-s-lack-financial-safety-net), and that is assuming that extra costs weren't incurred. I think if you held everybody to the same standard of "don't buy a house, don't have kids, don't start a business, don't incur any long term expenses if you don't have a safety net", the US would likely find itself with a fair share of issues with population (like Japan), with the housing market and in some ways with the economy overall. What you are asking is an end to financial risk, and in a lot of ways, financial risk is good for the economy overall (although that isn't to say there isn't such a thing as bad spending or bad risks). The government setting up a safety net provides a way to encourage financial risk, encourage long term spending, etc (all of the benefits of starting a family are included in that etc), instead of putting all of the burden for things outside of individual control in the hands of the individual.

Basically what I'm trying to say is, if we were to have to plan for the worst case scenario before acting, nothing would ever get done. While it is good to try to save and prepare in any way you can, that isn't always possible, especially for those who are in the lower/lower middle class.

Even further, asking people to rely on charity is unreasonable. Our current tax structure encourages charitable spending, and it is likely that charitable spending would decrease if those tax breaks were discontinued (SOURCE: http://m.goingconcern.com/post/accounting-news-roundup-taxes-and-charitable-deductions-worrying-about-extenders-year-end). While there would likely be a slight uptick in charitable giving compared to that figure (not compared to current donations) if taxes were decreased (note that only around 11% of taxes go to safety net measures), it is a pipe dream to think that uptick would be able to provide the same function that these programs currently provide.
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You're usually someone I don't agree with, but in this case I do. First of all, he looks like a dude who isn't making enough money because he's spending it on pot and being high. Second, I feel bad for his son who looks like a good boy. If this guy is making $1900 a month then he has at least $500 extra, so yeah why does he need food stamps?

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$485 per week? That's about $1900 per month.

He's spending $400 on groceries per month if he's buying the bare essentials and healthy food.

He probably doesn't own a house, or maybe he does? In which case he's either paying rent for $600 to 1,000. If he owns a house, the taxes are $6,000 a year (lol and that's being generous, more like $10,000). So that's minimum $500 a month to 1,000 just for living.

His utilities are probably $200 - $300 (again being generous) because heating can be expensive.

Then there's obviously fuel expenses because he's commuting to work (or commuting expenses) which could be anywhere from $60 - $100 a month, and if he has to drive his son/daughter to places. OH and there's mandatory auto insurance, which could be anywhere from $60 - $100 a month too!

And then there's medical insurance, because you know, it's better to be safe than sorry. Especially if you have a kid. So that's another $100 a month.

So he's spending like $1,400 - $1,600 a month with some extra to keep in the bank.

Dude does /not/ need food stamps.


I question your maths. With the numbers you provided, I reached this figure:

400(groceries)+1000(rent)+300(utilities)+100(fuel)+100(car insurance)+100(medical insurance) = 2,000/month

And that is assuming that there are no extra costs such as medical bills, prescription medication, car payments, clothing, etc.
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You're usually someone I don't agree with, but in this case I do. First of all, he looks like a dude who isn't making enough money because he's spending it on pot and being high. Second, I feel bad for his son who looks like a good boy. If this guy is making $1900 a month then he has at least $500 extra, so yeah why does he need food stamps?

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$485 per week? That's about $1900 per month.

He's spending $400 on groceries per month if he's buying the bare essentials and healthy food.

He probably doesn't own a house, or maybe he does? In which case he's either paying rent for $600 to 1,000. If he owns a house, the taxes are $6,000 a year (lol and that's being generous, more like $10,000). So that's minimum $500 a month to 1,000 just for living.

His utilities are probably $200 - $300 (again being generous) because heating can be expensive.

Then there's obviously fuel expenses because he's commuting to work (or commuting expenses) which could be anywhere from $60 - $100 a month, and if he has to drive his son/daughter to places. OH and there's mandatory auto insurance, which could be anywhere from $60 - $100 a month too!

And then there's medical insurance, because you know, it's better to be safe than sorry. Especially if you have a kid. So that's another $100 a month.

So he's spending like $1,400 - $1,600 a month with some extra to keep in the bank.

Dude does /not/ need food stamps.


I question your maths. With the numbers you provided, I reached this figure:

400(groceries)+1000(rent)+300(utilities)+100(fuel)+100(car insurance)+100(medical insurance) = 2,000/month

And that is assuming that there are no extra costs such as medical bills, prescription medication, car payments, clothing, etc.


I gave dyne31 the benefit of the doubt and did $500 for property tax instead of $600 for rent.
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I gave dyne31 the benefit of the doubt and did $500 for property tax instead of $600 for rent.


Well, by a very small step, its easy to see where this man could run into monetary issues really easily... Seems a little rash to say he doesn't have money troubles.
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What someone uses to buy their food is

a) None of your damn business
b) None of anyone else's either

It doesn't matter whether they are using food stamps or an American Express black card. You are not supposed to be snooping on their payment method, and you are sure as hell not supposed to be telling anyone else what it is.
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lambofgenesis Here's my breakdown:


$485 per week? That's about $1900 per month.

He's spending $400 on groceries per month if he's buying the bare essentials and healthy food.

He probably doesn't own a house, or maybe he does? In which case he's either paying rent for $600 to 1,000. If he owns a house, the taxes are $6,000 a year (lol and that's being generous, more like $10,000). So that's minimum $500 a month to 1,000 just for living.

His utilities are probably $200 - $300 (again being generous) because heating can be expensive.

Then there's obviously fuel expenses because he's commuting to work (or commuting expenses) which could be anywhere from $60 - $100 a month, and if he has to drive his son/daughter to places. OH and there's mandatory auto insurance, which could be anywhere from $60 - $100 a month too!

And then there's medical insurance, because you know, it's better to be safe than sorry. Especially if you have a kid. So that's another $100 a month.

So he's spending like $1,400 - $1,600 a month with some extra to keep in the bank.

Dude does /not/ need food stamps.


First off, I think your estimates for rent are somewhat low. The only place around me you'd get for $600 a month is a nice shed in someones backyard. Secondly you make an estimate for how much property tax he would pay but then don't include an amount for a mortgage payment? A mortgage is gonna add quite a bit to his monthly bills don't ya think? And now onto the biggest point, why isn't anyone including taxes into his paycheck? That $485 estimate is gross pay, not take home pay. If he pays the same as I do then he's only actually making about $375 a week, not $485. That's $1,500 a month, $400 less then your starting figure. So that income vs the estimated spending you think he's doing would leave him with maybe $100 or in $100 of debt and that's not factoring in a mortgage payment if he does own a house.

We don't know the status of his significant other if he even has one. We never see who's on the other side of the cart, for all we know it could be a relative and this guys trying to raise a child on his own. If it is a significant other perhaps she doesn't or can't work and instead takes care of the child full time. Ultimately there are too many factors here and too little information for us to accurately judge this persons particular situation.

EDIT : So if you can't already tell I'm siding with the guy and not the obnoxious land whale that keeps prying into other peoples business.
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I gave dyne31 the benefit of the doubt and did $500 for property tax instead of $600 for rent.


Well, by a very small step, its easy to see where this man could run into monetary issues really easily... Seems a little rash to say he doesn't have money troubles.


I think the whole purpose of government monetary aid is if you "can't" legit make enough money to make ends meet. But if you're working and able to pay bills OR even have at least $1 extra, do you really deserve it? The funding is to help those who /can't/ help themselves, it's not meant to be a "safety zone" so you can stash money in the bank for emergencies.

That's how I see it, anyway. This guy has like $500 extra a month. If he's renting, he's at least able to make ends meet.
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lambofgenesis Here's my breakdown:


$485 per week? That's about $1900 per month.

He's spending $400 on groceries per month if he's buying the bare essentials and healthy food.

He probably doesn't own a house, or maybe he does? In which case he's either paying rent for $600 to 1,000. If he owns a house, the taxes are $6,000 a year (lol and that's being generous, more like $10,000). So that's minimum $500 a month to 1,000 just for living.

His utilities are probably $200 - $300 (again being generous) because heating can be expensive.

Then there's obviously fuel expenses because he's commuting to work (or commuting expenses) which could be anywhere from $60 - $100 a month, and if he has to drive his son/daughter to places. OH and there's mandatory auto insurance, which could be anywhere from $60 - $100 a month too!

And then there's medical insurance, because you know, it's better to be safe than sorry. Especially if you have a kid. So that's another $100 a month.

So he's spending like $1,400 - $1,600 a month with some extra to keep in the bank.

Dude does /not/ need food stamps.


First off, I think your estimates for rent are somewhat low. The only place around me you'd get for $600 a month is a nice shed in someones backyard. Secondly you make an estimate for how much property tax he would pay but then don't include an amount for a mortgage payment? A mortgage is gonna add quite a bit to his monthly bills don't ya think? And now onto the biggest point, why isn't anyone including taxes into his paycheck? That $485 estimate is gross pay, not take home pay. If he pays the same as I do then he's only actually making about $375 a week, not $485. That's $1,500 a month, $400 less then your starting figure. So that income vs the estimated spending you think he's doing would leave him with maybe $100 or in $100 of debt and that's not factoring in a mortgage payment if he does own a house.

We don't know the status of his significant other if he even has one. We never see who's on the other side of the cart, for all we know it could be a relative and this guys trying to raise a child on his own. If it is a significant other perhaps she doesn't or can't work and instead takes care of the child full time. Ultimately there are too many factors here and too little information for us to accurately judge this persons particular situation.


The same is true for me. $600? WHERE DO YOU FIND THAT. But then again, apartments go for $495 in some college towns. Commercial apartments.
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I gave dyne31 the benefit of the doubt and did $500 for property tax instead of $600 for rent.


Well, by a very small step, its easy to see where this man could run into monetary issues really easily... Seems a little rash to say he doesn't have money troubles.


I think the whole purpose of government monetary aid is if you "can't" legit make enough money to make ends meet. But if you're working and able to pay bills OR even have at least $1 extra, do you really deserve it? The funding is to help those who /can't/ help themselves, it's not meant to be a "safety zone" so you can stash money in the bank for emergencies.

That's how I see it, anyway. This guy has like $500 extra a month. If he's renting, he's at least able to make ends meet.


By your own numbers, he's netting -$100 dollars a month without assistance (as I showed in my last post), and that is ignoring a lot of other potential costs that he could be facing. My last post was meant to show that your "extra $500 a month" estimate was extremely generous and likely not representative of the actual costs he is facing.
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There she is working hard (or not) and she has like 1-2 kids that you can see. She's tired and she's working and here's THIS LOSER-LOOKING GUY who's right in front of her, who seems calmer than her and less tired IN THE SAME EXACT SITUATION AS HER. He has a kid too and is buying stuff too right in front of her. THE DIFFERENCE IS, HE'S GETTING HELP FROM THE GOVERNMENT WHEREAS SHE'S BUSTING HER ASS.


No, fuck her. It doesn't matter what the guy looks like nor if they have a comparable amount of spawn. She can think whatever the hell she wants in her head but if she's going to open her mouth and harass a total stranger in a fucking Walmart then she can go fuck herself. She's shopping at a place that's partially responsible for people not being able to earn a living wage to begin with.

Out of everyone in this situation, Walmart is the one whose sucking off the taxpayer's dime to subsidize itself.
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lambofgenesis wrote:


sundin13 wrote:


lambofgenesis wrote:
I gave dyne31 the benefit of the doubt and did $500 for property tax instead of $600 for rent.


Well, by a very small step, its easy to see where this man could run into monetary issues really easily... Seems a little rash to say he doesn't have money troubles.


I think the whole purpose of government monetary aid is if you "can't" legit make enough money to make ends meet. But if you're working and able to pay bills OR even have at least $1 extra, do you really deserve it? The funding is to help those who /can't/ help themselves, it's not meant to be a "safety zone" so you can stash money in the bank for emergencies.

That's how I see it, anyway. This guy has like $500 extra a month. If he's renting, he's at least able to make ends meet.


By your own numbers, he's netting -$100 dollars a month without assistance (as I showed in my last post), and that is ignoring a lot of other potential costs that he could be facing. My last post was meant to show that your "extra $500 a month" estimate was extremely generous and likely not representative of the actual costs he is facing.


I gotta say, I've never been a fan of your shady debate tactics. Always so underhanded.


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I question your maths. With the numbers you provided, I reached this figure:

400(groceries)+1000(rent)+300(utilities)+100(fuel)+100(car insurance)+100(medical insurance) = 2,000/month

And that is assuming that there are no extra costs such as medical bills, prescription medication, car payments, clothing, etc.


By your own total, you came up with 2,000 and asked why mine was $1,400-$1,600

So I told you it's because of property tax, while you assumed 1000 for rent. So that takes your total down by -500 to $1,500.

But since that doesn't comply with your "he needs help" argument, since he'd have enough left over. So you decide to totally ignore your previous total, do some other random calculation to bait me into backtracking my calculation which you'll most probably counter with some different calculation.

I mean I agree with you that needy people deserve food stamps. But if you're that into donating, do you want my PayPal email :). And I understand that he could have other expenses, but I think I covered the bases? He might have medical expenses, and he also needs to buy clothes at some point. But then again, there's always the salvation army and there's HMO for medical expenses. I don't think my estimates are grossly generous. Or are you saying you're spending more than $2,000 a month on necessities?
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