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Posted 5/4/16
and Kasich is out now
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Trump vs. Hillary, huh?
What are housing prices in Canada like?
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Trump believes that being US president on the world stage literally means you can help make countries fight each other like action figures.

For example, since he believes nagging countries about their trade deficit will obligate Mexico to pay for the Wall, he also believes that pushing embargoes and trade deficits will, quote, "force" China into fighting North Korea themselves as a repaid favor to us.

If there was ever a comment in political history that more RICHLY deserved the "Oh, really? Tell us more about how you're going to do it. " Willy Wonka meme...


The Trump Plan Will Achieve The Following Goals:

1) Bring China to the bargaining table by immediately declaring it a currency manipulator.
2) Protect American ingenuity and investment by forcing China to uphold intellectual property laws and stop their unfair and unlawful practice of forcing U.S. companies to share proprietary technology with Chinese competitors as a condition of entry to China’s market.
3) Reclaim millions of American jobs and reviving American manufacturing by putting an end to China’s illegal export subsidies and lax labor and environmental standards. No more sweatshops or pollution havens stealing jobs from American workers.
4) Strengthen our negotiating position by lowering our corporate tax rate to keep American companies and jobs here at home, attacking our debt and deficit so China cannot use financial blackmail against us, and bolstering the U.S. military presence in the East and South China Seas to discourage Chinese adventurism.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/us-china-trade-reform

So you mean he is going to call China out as being a trade manipulator and do something about it? Well good!


Oh, I see--He's going to personally SHAME China in the eyes of the world, until they reform themselves and take responsibility to battle the enemies of capitalism to regain their favor.

...Never mind Wonka, where's that John Lennon "I could listen to him all day... " meme?

(THEY DON'T CARE, Don, they have an even more arrogant ego than you do!
China cares about as much about as the world's opinion as you care about our racism complaints!)
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PhantomGundam wrote:

At this point Trump and Hillary are already the party nominees. Trump's only competition now is Kasich, who will need to win more delegates than Trump in all the remaining states in order to stop him, which is impossible. Bernie is in the same boat. He would need to win in a major landslide, probably with at least a 50% margin, in every remaining state to get the nomination. Hillary on the other hand doesn't even need to campaign anymore. She can lose 40-60 in every state and she'd still have enough delegates to win. 2016 is the election where our two choices are a guy hungry for attention and a woman hungry for power.

If Trump wins(unlikely), the republicans will be ruined and will most likely never win the White House again for decades. It's not even safe to assume all his dangerous policies will be blocked by Congress thanks to Obama's precedent of "my executive orders are absolute blah blah blah deal with it." Our reputation abroad has already taken a massive drop thanks to Trump. If our enemies don't take us seriously now, they definitely won't change their minds if even our own allies oppose our new leader. If Hillary wins, the democrats will also fall apart thanks to the DNC rigging the game to give Hillary a ridiculously huge advantage and proving to everyone that the establishment will use any dirty trick to give their precious queen more power. No matter which of them wins, the Supreme Court will no doubt move towards a more authoritarian direction since nearly half of the SCOTUS will most likely be replaced within the next 8 years. In other words the Constitution is dead for an entire generation.

The pros and cons of this election season:

Pros:
- Both major parties will be forced to reform themselves or risk irreparable damage. And that's only if party leaders are even smart enough to realize what the only option is.

Cons:
- We're stuck with a narcissistic authoritarian as our president for at least the next 4 years.
- We'll have a SCOTUS that works against the people and for the government.
- Our presence around the world will make us look worse than we look now (isolated economy and war crimes if Trump, Middle East cease to exist if Hillary).

Overall, America loses no matter who wins the election. We're going to need a miracle to fix this country after the chaos Trump or Hillary plan to cause.


>DNC rigging the game
Im not sure you understand how politics work
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China hasn't forgotten the Opium wars and sees nothing wrong with trade manipulation. Whether or not America will be a world leader in the next century will depend more on the accomplishments of its technocrats than the outcome of its foreign policy.
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If Trump wins it will be proof that the American people have decided to give up their republic.


FTFY.

I will never understand how people who want to protect the Constitution can happily support the one guy who has spent his entire life attacking the Constitution and has made no effort to hide it throughout his entire campaign. I can at least understand if people are fooled by Hillary's dirty tricks, but Trump doesn't even pretend he stands for the people. Censoring journalists for just saying his hair is bad, censoring the internet, putting cameras in religious buildings, using government force to steal property from regular citizens for his own personal use, etc. These are the kind of things Trump has repeatedly said he wants and some of these he's actually done before, or at least threatened to do but sometimes failed in court. Voting for Trump for his positions is no different than saying "I want all of my rights taken away." At least Hillary voters will have the excuse "she tricked me! She broke all her promises and took away my rights after saying she wouldn't!"

I for one would prefer to NOT be treated like a criminal just for breathing air.
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PhantomGundam wrote:


maxgale wrote:

If Trump wins it will be proof that the American people have decided to give up their shackles.


FTFY.





Much obliged.




I will never understand how people who want to protect the Constitution can happily support the one guy who has spent his entire life attacking the Constitution and has made no effort to hide it throughout his entire campaign. I can at least understand if people are fooled by Hillary's dirty tricks, but Trump doesn't even pretend he stands for the people. Censoring journalists for just saying his hair is bad, censoring the internet, putting cameras in religious buildings, using government force to steal property from regular citizens for his own personal use, etc. These are the kind of things Trump has repeatedly said he wants and some of these he's actually done before, or at least threatened to do but sometimes failed in court. Voting for Trump for his positions is no different than saying "I want all of my rights taken away." At least Hillary voters will have the excuse "she tricked me! She broke all her promises and took away my rights after saying she wouldn't!"

I for one would prefer to NOT be treated like a criminal just for breathing air.



1. No different than Obama or Reagan kicking reporters to the curb for asking even remotely tough questions. Campaigns gone do what campaigns gone do.


2. Reform does not equal censorship. Especially when it involves saying the govt can't tell private companies they must be forced to protect the interests of competitors.

3. No different than wire tapping, just being more blunt about what it is.

4. Eminent domain sucks, but the economy should not be held up over sentimentality, and that's kinda something folks have to recognize. America isn't the Prairie Lands of the 1800s anymore. If people want land and rugged liberty then they need to move to Alaska or Idaho. But the realities of our urban communities have fundamentally changed and the social contract of urban communities has placed the right to dynamic change over any individual. Rather than her rights being violated, it was a case of an individual who was reneging on the social agreement she participated in by choosing to join that community. And that's one of the great things about America, that we are "laboratories of Democracy", where our country allows for many different communities with their own culture and values and ideas of what it means to be a member of the community; and if someone doesn't like it they are free to go elsewhere and find a community they can belong. So telling Alaska that they have to be like New York or telling New York they have to be like Alaska is to fundamentally misunderstand the nature of democracy on the local level in America.
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Posted 5/4/16 , edited 5/4/16

PhantomGundam wrote:


maxgale wrote:

If Trump wins it will be proof that the American people have decided to give up their republic.


FTFY.

I will never understand how people who want to protect the Constitution can happily support the one guy who has spent his entire life attacking the Constitution and has made no effort to hide it throughout his entire campaign. I can at least understand if people are fooled by Hillary's dirty tricks, but Trump doesn't even pretend he stands for the people. Censoring journalists for just saying his hair is bad, censoring the internet, putting cameras in religious buildings, using government force to steal property from regular citizens for his own personal use, etc. These are the kind of things Trump has repeatedly said he wants and some of these he's actually done before, or at least threatened to do but sometimes failed in court. Voting for Trump for his positions is no different than saying "I want all of my rights taken away." At least Hillary voters will have the excuse "she tricked me! She broke all her promises and took away my rights after saying she wouldn't!"

I for one would prefer to NOT be treated like a criminal just for breathing air.


Phantom, you're over exaggerating my man. Trump has said some outlandish things, but it doesn't just stop there. Trump speaks from the heart and has no filter, thus why people like him. Trump is a smart man and has perfectly played into the anger that is in America today. He's gonna bring in a total different perspective to the White House that isn't going to be based on "conservatism" or "liberalism", but simply things that have to work or right for the country; i.e. realism.

Washington politicians these days cannot even perform their jobs and Trump coming this far is an eye opener on how upset people are with the establishment. Once Trump gets in there he's going to be surrounding himself with people that know exactly what they're doing because he's a businessman that has made a multi-billion company with using the people for the right job. He's already doing it. When he's in the White House, he's going to start doing things that are right for America, not just the party or for personal gain. He's gonna bring back American nationalism which I believe has heavily has been undermined by Obama. America's interests will be in the forefront with Trump and he's already expressed that; whether it be national or international.

The constitution isn't going to be undermined by Trump or somehow altered, you give him too much credit. We have separate branches of government for a reason. He can't do any more damage than Obama did with executive action. Trump isn't going to be dictator, he'll make compromises and get people to work together. How do you think he got so far with building up his business? He's a deal maker and he'll work with both sides of the party and I believe he can unify the republican party and bring on a new age for republicans (which has already started). He's already changing his rhetoric. He's got his work cut out for him, but if anyone can do it, it's him, seeing as he's defied gravity as it is.

Anyways, I'll take him any day of the week compared to Hillary which would be another term of Obama and Bernie, who's policies are borderline apocalyptic to the economy and overall, are a fantasy. Socialism just doesn't work.
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Washington politicians these days cannot even perform their jobs and Trump coming this far is an eye opener on how upset people are with the establishment. Once Trump gets in there he's going to be surrounding himself with people that know exactly what they're doing because he's a businessman that has made a multi-billion company with using the people for the right job. He's already doing it. When he's in the White House, he's going to start doing things that are right for America, not just the party or for personal gain. He's gonna bring back American nationalism which I believe has heavily has been undermined by Obama. America's interests will be in the forefront with Trump and he's already expressed that; whether it be national or international.


I agree that Trump is a reaction to the problems people have with the establishment, but so many of his ideas and policies come across as unpolished and outlandish. So often he says something that sounds great but gets a response of "that could easily be a disaster" by experts in the field. I posted earlier how Trump's plan to deal with China could easily cause more problems than it would solve, on top of being a massive breach of international trade agreements. To me, I like the idea of Trump (someone who is unfiltered and not working for private interests), but his ideas just don't seem like they will actually make America great. Seems they all too often crumble under scrutiny, and if you are electing him on the basis that the government wont actually let him do the things he says he will do, I don't think that is a smart route to walk.
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Why are people saying "likely Republican Presidential Nominee"? He is, he has no one who is running against him anymore.
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>DNC rigging the game
Im not sure you understand how politics work


What else can you possibly call everything that the DNC has done for Hillary in just the last 12 months alone?

The Democratic debates were a total mess. The DNC initially tried having as few debates as possible and scheduled some of them on weekends, all so less people would watch Hillary making a fool of herself. One of the debates that was livestreamed was even taken down at the very beginning due to some "mysterious error" that the network hosting it ignored. Then in January and February when Bernie was continuing to gain momentum, the DNC panicked and figured their plan backfired, so they jammed a million debates together so see if that would help Hillary's poll numbers.

Then there's that scandal from within Bernie's campaign that was directly caused by the DNC. There was a bug that accidentally gave his campaign the voter information from Hillary's campaign. The DNC then suspended his access to their database and accused his campaign of misconduct the night before a debate. The DNC not only allowed this happen, but actively played a role in making it happen. Bernie's campaign discovered this glitch and immediately reported it months earlier. The DNC ignored it. The guy who saw the wrong voter information tried making copies of it which was all against the rules. Then it was revealed that the only reason this guy was working in Bernie's campaign in the first place was because the DNC practically planted him in Bernie's team. It's plain as day that they attempted to sabotage Bernie's campaign the day before the debate.

It would be helpful to remember that the DNC is run by Hillary's close friend. So any bizarre action they make that helps Hillary surely can't be written off as a simple coincidence that repeatedly happens.

Oh yeah and let's not forget those super delegates. While not really something the DNC actively did this year, it's pretty scary how so many politicians were lining up to give Hillary a massive boost in delegates long before the voting even started! Having super delegates is a terrible idea that only favors the elite. The DNC has the authority to change the rules whenever they want, but they won't since their rules already give Hillary the advantage.

I haven't even gotten into the numerous cheap tricks her goons have pulled during the actual voting!
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Ejanss wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


Ejanss wrote:
Trump believes that being US president on the world stage literally means you can help make countries fight each other like action figures.

For example, since he believes nagging countries about their trade deficit will obligate Mexico to pay for the Wall, he also believes that pushing embargoes and trade deficits will, quote, "force" China into fighting North Korea themselves as a repaid favor to us.

If there was ever a comment in political history that more RICHLY deserved the "Oh, really? Tell us more about how you're going to do it. " Willy Wonka meme...


The Trump Plan Will Achieve The Following Goals:

1) Bring China to the bargaining table by immediately declaring it a currency manipulator.
2) Protect American ingenuity and investment by forcing China to uphold intellectual property laws and stop their unfair and unlawful practice of forcing U.S. companies to share proprietary technology with Chinese competitors as a condition of entry to China’s market.
3) Reclaim millions of American jobs and reviving American manufacturing by putting an end to China’s illegal export subsidies and lax labor and environmental standards. No more sweatshops or pollution havens stealing jobs from American workers.
4) Strengthen our negotiating position by lowering our corporate tax rate to keep American companies and jobs here at home, attacking our debt and deficit so China cannot use financial blackmail against us, and bolstering the U.S. military presence in the East and South China Seas to discourage Chinese adventurism.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/us-china-trade-reform

So you mean he is going to call China out as being a trade manipulator and do something about it? Well good!


Oh, I see--He's going to personally SHAME China in the eyes of the world, until they reform themselves and take responsibility to battle the enemies of capitalism to regain their favor.

...Never mind Wonka, where's that John Lennon "I could listen to him all day... " meme?

(THEY DON'T CARE, Don, they have an even more arrogant ego than you do!
China cares about as much about as the world's opinion as you care about our racism complaints!)


You know what they really care about? Selling cheap goods to the USA. You know what could really hurt China? Increase the price of all their goods with tariffs. China is more dependent on us than we are on them as we could put half their population out of work.
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I'm slowly being reminded of the story of Emperor Nero playing the fiddle as the city of Rome burned.
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sundin13 wrote:


LoomyTheBrew wrote:

Washington politicians these days cannot even perform their jobs and Trump coming this far is an eye opener on how upset people are with the establishment. Once Trump gets in there he's going to be surrounding himself with people that know exactly what they're doing because he's a businessman that has made a multi-billion company with using the people for the right job. He's already doing it. When he's in the White House, he's going to start doing things that are right for America, not just the party or for personal gain. He's gonna bring back American nationalism which I believe has heavily has been undermined by Obama. America's interests will be in the forefront with Trump and he's already expressed that; whether it be national or international.


I agree that Trump is a reaction to the problems people have with the establishment, but so many of his ideas and policies come across as unpolished and outlandish. So often he says something that sounds great but gets a response of "that could easily be a disaster" by experts in the field. I posted earlier how Trump's plan to deal with China could easily cause more problems than it would solve, on top of being a massive breach of international trade agreements. To me, I like the idea of Trump (someone who is unfiltered and not working for private interests), but his ideas just don't seem like they will actually make America great. Seems they all too often crumble under scrutiny, and if you are electing him on the basis that the government wont actually let him do the things he says he will do, I don't think that is a smart route to walk.


But I can say there's experts that also say we have to be tougher on China. I recently wrote a whole analysis of North Korea using nothing but scholarly sources and a lot what I found is that we let China get away with so much and haven't been that aggressive on them, especially when it comes to North Korea, it's pathetic really. And a lot of our trade agreements are very much working against us, which is one of the reasons why so many jobs get outsourced (also high taxes on businesses scare them away).

Look I completely understand the problems with Trump, but after the failures of conventional politicians these last 8 years (republican and democrat), I'd rather bet on Trump than any of them at this point. Whether that's gonna be the right thing, we won't entirely know until we know. That's how it is with most presidents, you take a gamble no matter what.

Trump has the potential, so I'm getting behind him. He certainly won't be as destructive as Hillary since we know exactly what we'll get with her, so that's enough for me to support Trump.
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I'm slowly being reminded of the story of Emperor Nero playing the fiddle as the city of Rome burned.


That's been going on for the past 16 years.
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