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Is homicide wrong?
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Killing is a form of judgment. If you kill someone it is because you have judged that that person no longer has a right to live. We, as lowly human beings on this planet, do not have the authority to judge, let alone to determine whether or not someone deserves to live or die. If humans had that right/authority, the entire human race would have been wiped out long ago.

One of the Ten Commandments is "Thou shalt not murder." It is a strong commandment that should still hold true even today. Murder is a sin. Period. For whatever reason. Even killing out of self-defense is still a form of murder, and you will still get some form of punishment, but the law will, otherwise, generally let you off the hook (even though to me, there's the whole judgment thing again - you judged that such-and-such person was a threat to your existence, and therefore you should kill them before they kill you. That in a sense is still a form of judgment, though today's society justifies it, seeing it as nothing more than an impulse from our basic instincts to survive).

Murder is usually defined as the taking of a human life by another human, usually because of selfish impulses. Killing for the sake of killing is a sin. And always will be a sin. You don't kill someone for the hell of it. You just don't.

I apologize if I got a little too deep for some of you with this topic...I have very strong opinions against murder...but I don't believe even murderers deserve the death penalty. I think they deserve to rot in prison for life and live with the guilt and consequences of their actions. It serves them right. Don't kill them off, that would be doing them a public service - giving the death penalty without a chance for them to think about it means they don't have time to change their minds. That means they die believing that what they did was right. That makes them a martyr, and they don't need/deserve that kind of ego-boost. I say let them suffer...if they die, it should be because of the guilt that haunts them and the grief it causes. They don't even deserve to end their own lives. Just let them rot with grief.


Just can't help but chuckle (not at you though). When I read this I was reminded of a hilarious quote that I read.

"Love your enemies. It makes them so damned mad." ~P.D. East



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omg this has got to be the gayest topic ever;; yes it is right to kill people???
wtf??
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Of course it is wrong to kill a person.
If a person kills intentionally, it is therefore wrong.

But if you are defending yourself or defending someone from someone's attack, or if it was just an accident (say you are driving and you realize there are no breaks then you unintentionally hit the person crossing the street), then it is excusable.
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o0James0o wrote:

we kill everyday in order to survive, be it plant or animal, its all life.
therefore, is it really a wrong thing to kill a person?..


ps.... i just noticed... its homi not homo... -.- (thx to the mod for the fix)

pps... i mean sin as in something really really wrong.... non connected to religion... (never really knew that sin is that much connected to religion...i guess i need to study my words next time)

ppps..... remember the fact that we use animals as experiments (thats not eating to survive)


A live body and a dead body contain the same number of particles. Structurally, there's no discernible difference. Life and death are unquantifiable abstracts,there is no difference between the life of a human being and the life of an ant.So a more plausible alternative to OP's question would be:

Does it matter whether if it's right or wrong?
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yea, its wrong to kill to others or you'll go to HELL for sure
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o0James0o wrote:


vpham033 wrote:


o0James0o wrote:

you think too highly of yourself....


no i don't. lol.
do you know me?

don't act you do man. Social Darwinism, "survival of the fittest"
get with it. its 21th century.


because its 21st century... people nowadays r stupid.... thats y we should think more.... unless ur some1 like Louis XV of france...


Wait, slow down... Louis XV?
Is there supposed to be some kind of parallel there or where you just trying to think of a stupid person? ‘Cause the only point I can imagine you were trying to make was that through caution and timidity we will lose the love and support of our people and eventually die of smallpox.
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hikaruchan16 wrote:

Killing is a form of judgment. If you kill someone it is because you have judged that that person no longer has a right to live. We, as lowly human beings on this planet, do not have the authority to judge, let alone to determine whether or not someone deserves to live or die. If humans had that right/authority, the entire human race would have been wiped out long ago.

One of the Ten Commandments is "Thou shalt not murder." It is a strong commandment that should still hold true even today. Murder is a sin. Period. For whatever reason. Even killing out of self-defense is still a form of murder, and you will still get some form of punishment, but the law will, otherwise, generally let you off the hook (even though to me, there's the whole judgment thing again - you judged that such-and-such person was a threat to your existence, and therefore you should kill them before they kill you. That in a sense is still a form of judgment, though today's society justifies it, seeing it as nothing more than an impulse from our basic instincts to survive).

Murder is usually defined as the taking of a human life by another human, usually because of selfish impulses. Killing for the sake of killing is a sin. And always will be a sin. You don't kill someone for the hell of it. You just don't.

I apologize if I got a little too deep for some of you with this topic...I have very strong opinions against murder...but I don't believe even murderers deserve the death penalty. I think they deserve to rot in prison for life and live with the guilt and consequences of their actions. It serves them right. Don't kill them off, that would be doing them a public service - giving the death penalty without a chance for them to think about it means they don't have time to change their minds. That means they die believing that what they did was right. That makes them a martyr, and they don't need/deserve that kind of ego-boost. I say let them suffer...if they die, it should be because of the guilt that haunts them and the grief it causes. They don't even deserve to end their own lives. Just let them rot with grief.


Just can't help but chuckle (not at you though). When I read this I was reminded of a hilarious quote that I read.

"Love your enemies. It makes them so damned mad." ~P.D. East



That is such a great quote. : D And it's so true.
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hikaruchan16 wrote:


qweruiop wrote:


hikaruchan16 wrote:

Killing is a form of judgment. If you kill someone it is because you have judged that that person no longer has a right to live. We, as lowly human beings on this planet, do not have the authority to judge, let alone to determine whether or not someone deserves to live or die. If humans had that right/authority, the entire human race would have been wiped out long ago.

One of the Ten Commandments is "Thou shalt not murder." It is a strong commandment that should still hold true even today. Murder is a sin. Period. For whatever reason. Even killing out of self-defense is still a form of murder, and you will still get some form of punishment, but the law will, otherwise, generally let you off the hook (even though to me, there's the whole judgment thing again - you judged that such-and-such person was a threat to your existence, and therefore you should kill them before they kill you. That in a sense is still a form of judgment, though today's society justifies it, seeing it as nothing more than an impulse from our basic instincts to survive).

Murder is usually defined as the taking of a human life by another human, usually because of selfish impulses. Killing for the sake of killing is a sin. And always will be a sin. You don't kill someone for the hell of it. You just don't.

I apologize if I got a little too deep for some of you with this topic...I have very strong opinions against murder...but I don't believe even murderers deserve the death penalty. I think they deserve to rot in prison for life and live with the guilt and consequences of their actions. It serves them right. Don't kill them off, that would be doing them a public service - giving the death penalty without a chance for them to think about it means they don't have time to change their minds. That means they die believing that what they did was right. That makes them a martyr, and they don't need/deserve that kind of ego-boost. I say let them suffer...if they die, it should be because of the guilt that haunts them and the grief it causes. They don't even deserve to end their own lives. Just let them rot with grief.


Just can't help but chuckle (not at you though). When I read this I was reminded of a hilarious quote that I read.

"Love your enemies. It makes them so damned mad." ~P.D. East



That is such a great quote. : D And it's so true.


Yeah but the funny part of the quote is....it's contradictory! The first part says love your enemies! The second part contradicts it because by doing so with the intention of making them mad cannot be called love!

So getting back to the topic. Is it a sin to kill? Personally, I am with you on this. My thought is, "who are we to judge?" Only God has the authority to judge.

Now the question is, what exactly is considered killing? This sounds stupid and obvious, but let's use an example. Let's say there is a dying man on the road side as you are passing by. If you walk by without helping him and he dies, did you kill him?

Of course we know that when you do something harmful (like stab someone) and kill the person it is considered murder, but isn't it the same when you fail to do something kind (like take him to the hospital) and he dies.

In both circumstances didn't the man die because of YOU?

So I conclude that I don't know how God will judge, because I, being a mere human, cannot comprehend Gods mysterious thoughts. BUT I believe that intention is a key factor. If you do something nice with a bad intention, it is not something nice. (ex: "Love your enemies. It makes them so damned mad." ~P.D. East)

Don't you agree?

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its a matter of opinion if u think its right then its right, if u think its wrong then its wrong

every human being has the right to live their life their way and do what they want and make their own judgements

doesnt make it right or wrong its nature, there must b balance between good and evil

and apparently (god) will make the final judgement call when its time

i am a mere human and dont expect to ever comprehend the mysteries of life, but i do kno one thing im gunna do whatever the hell i want despite if anyone thinks its right or wrong, and in the event of my demise i will leave this world knowing i did it my way and regretted nothing
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I think it's wrong >.<
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qweruiop wrote:


hikaruchan16 wrote:


qweruiop wrote:


hikaruchan16 wrote:

Killing is a form of judgment. If you kill someone it is because you have judged that that person no longer has a right to live. We, as lowly human beings on this planet, do not have the authority to judge, let alone to determine whether or not someone deserves to live or die. If humans had that right/authority, the entire human race would have been wiped out long ago.

One of the Ten Commandments is "Thou shalt not murder." It is a strong commandment that should still hold true even today. Murder is a sin. Period. For whatever reason. Even killing out of self-defense is still a form of murder, and you will still get some form of punishment, but the law will, otherwise, generally let you off the hook (even though to me, there's the whole judgment thing again - you judged that such-and-such person was a threat to your existence, and therefore you should kill them before they kill you. That in a sense is still a form of judgment, though today's society justifies it, seeing it as nothing more than an impulse from our basic instincts to survive).

Murder is usually defined as the taking of a human life by another human, usually because of selfish impulses. Killing for the sake of killing is a sin. And always will be a sin. You don't kill someone for the hell of it. You just don't.

I apologize if I got a little too deep for some of you with this topic...I have very strong opinions against murder...but I don't believe even murderers deserve the death penalty. I think they deserve to rot in prison for life and live with the guilt and consequences of their actions. It serves them right. Don't kill them off, that would be doing them a public service - giving the death penalty without a chance for them to think about it means they don't have time to change their minds. That means they die believing that what they did was right. That makes them a martyr, and they don't need/deserve that kind of ego-boost. I say let them suffer...if they die, it should be because of the guilt that haunts them and the grief it causes. They don't even deserve to end their own lives. Just let them rot with grief.


Just can't help but chuckle (not at you though). When I read this I was reminded of a hilarious quote that I read.

"Love your enemies. It makes them so damned mad." ~P.D. East



That is such a great quote. : D And it's so true.


Yeah but the funny part of the quote is....it's contradictory! The first part says love your enemies! The second part contradicts it because by doing so with the intention of making them mad cannot be called love!

So getting back to the topic. Is it a sin to kill? Personally, I am with you on this. My thought is, "who are we to judge?" Only God has the authority to judge.

Now the question is, what exactly is considered killing? This sounds stupid and obvious, but let's use an example. Let's say there is a dying man on the road side as you are passing by. If you walk by without helping him and he dies, did you kill him?

Of course we know that when you do something harmful (like stab someone) and kill the person it is considered murder, but isn't it the same when you fail to do something kind (like take him to the hospital) and he dies.

In both circumstances didn't the man die because of YOU?

So I conclude that I don't know how God will judge, because I, being a mere human, cannot comprehend Gods mysterious thoughts. BUT I believe that intention is a key factor. If you do something nice with a bad intention, it is not something nice. (ex: "Love your enemies. It makes them so damned mad." ~P.D. East)

Don't you agree?



Agreed. I see where you're coming from.

Hm...the scenario of the man at the side of the road is a tricky one, because nobody really thinks about it. It's true that if he dies and you didn't help him, you are partially responsible, but you may share that responsibility with maybe 5 other people who came before or after you. In this case, it's a test of who is willing to be the Good Samaritan and who truly just doesn't give a damn.

But, I suppose if you had the chance to help the man and didn't it could be possibly considered indirectly killing as a direct result of your unwillingness to help him, if that makes any sense...

Also, I never thought about the doing something nice with the wrong intentions...0.o;; that's something to think on for a while. You're right, that just never crossed my mind.
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Yes if its is someone who has done nothing wrong..and no if it is like a criminal =D
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Yes if its is someone who has done nothing wrong..and no if it is like a criminal =D



All life is not equal, huh?

You're thinking socially. In what way is murder socially acceptable? When that person has proven to be undeserving of life.

I don't think homocide is ever really morally wrong because of all the afore mentioned reasons. However, in order to maintain a society murder must be condemned. If it weren't there would be no trust and no way to live together as we do.
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Killing is all right in my book we all die in the end anyway ^.^

So go ahead children Kill when it is really necessary
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Live and let live. As long as something you do doesn't have a horrible impact on someone else's wishes, it's okaaaay.
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