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Am I getting better though? I think it's better than the one before that, and definitely better than the one before it.

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I dunno about sexism and conservatives.


All I know is that the Left has a sexism problem when a man is a second-class citizen simply for being a man.
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I would have thought the reverse to be true, being how close the boomer/hippie voter bases seem to align themselves with liberal ideals.
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Seems you are starting to see the illiberal nature of the "progressive" left.

@Mystic Gon: Sex positive and choice feminism has largely been supplanted by collectivized feminism where women shouldn't have the freedom to do things that are bad for the collective...
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I'm pretty liberal (I think), but also think that strip joints and stripping and fucking for money is women's god given right.
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- does not affect me so i do not not care
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JustineKo2 wrote:
Perhaps a more thorough analysis of this question might be to examine what types of strip joints they have in Red states. Or getting an opinion of them from conservative minded folks.


We have whorehouses in the most conservative parts of the state.

LEGAL ones.

What's a little dancing between the sheets?
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I don't understand why some people just cannot believe that there are women who choose to go into such industries of their own free will. The whole excuse of those women having no other choice is void in my opinion. Sure some of them are in circumstances where they have limited choices, but they are not completely helpless. The best "cure" would be to improve the variety of well-paying jobs easily available to women, not to remove that option for those who would choose to go into those industries.


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If they enact legislation with a typical feminist agenda, which is a liberal position, to free women from the bonds of the sex industry, cracking down on all-nude strip joints seems like a logical step.


That'll never happen. Sex sells, a lot. I have a few friends who are strippers and like what the do.

But who knows, with all this PC culture, today's dumbass feminists might get what they want. Hopefully they don't.
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I don't really think it has anything to do with the sex industry. Might be more business-related?

I don't know about the rest of the country but where I live, the stripper joints are usually more closer to the cities.

Do I have a problem with it? Nah. Not really. I've seen male strippers and I've seen female strippers.
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I live in a Red State, deep south - Texas and trust me, Conservatives love their strip joints. The only thing we have more than strip joints are churches and bars. I don't want to get into politics too much but most of the "Conservatives" I know (and I'm not the most social person so take this with a grain of salt) are the hugest hypocrites out there. They're against abortions but won't pay child support. Family values = mistress, hooker or something on the side and smaller government is something they only pretend to want.

Now to be fair Democrats can be some pretty big hypocrites themselves too and BOTH sides have people that have really good values and morals. I'm not taking one side over the other just noticing that a lot of people here who identify as being extremely right wing Conservatives are in a lot of cases major hypocrites. They will be the first one's to try and shut a strip joint down and then drive two hours away to go visit one lol.

And I don't think it matters if you're in a red or blue state all of the strip clubs are in the cities. You get out in the country and there's nothing to be found. That's just good business and has nothing to do with politics. Plus I don't think that bars/strip clubs can be super close to schools so that makes it impossible for them to go near most small towns. If you live in a town with less than 12k people and have over 50 churches then you're not going to be allowed to even think about building a strip club. Good luck getting that past the city council.
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Is the disappearance of these strip joints a result of this ideological trend?


I highly doubt it. If you're trying to surmise why a type of business vanished you, obviously, look at economic trends first. Unless you can find some piece of specific legislation Hawaii passed that would cause such businesses to close. Which I doubt because Hawaii has a bad rep as a hub for sex trafficking and what not.

A quick check of the laws says Hawaii still allows full nude strip clubs and, weirdly enough, yelp indicates they still have plenty of them ( uh, thanks Google, I guess? ).

You sure its ideological and not just the rise of internet pr0n? ;p
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Well, Magical-Soul got banned. Anyone want to discuss that? She appears to have quite a conservative view when it came to women and welfare.
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Well, Magical-Soul got banned. Anyone want to discuss that? She appears to have quite a conservative view when it came to women and welfare.


She sometimes makes some good points... when she isn't throwing out extreme/hostile broad-sweeping generalizations. The problems are pretty nuanced with people drawing the line in different places. Wouldn't it be more productive to have everyone come out and define the line for themselves and maybe plot it out or something? That surely could give us a starting point to discuss these problems for real as we could all be on the same page for our definitions.

I may actually end up doing just that. If I make a graduated list of varying levels of interaction increasing in intensity and assign them sequential numbers I can ask CR members where they would draw the line of sexual harassment... Maybe it could even be significant to sub-divide the results by sex, sexual orientation, and political party. I wonder what that data would show.
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First of all feminism isn't a political party. There's no official, detailed agenda. The only thing every feminist has in common is that they think that women and men should be equal by law. Everything else is personal opinion.

If someone wants to strip or have sex to earn money let them do it. They can choose what kind of job they want. If you think that women shouldn't be allowed to because they're women you're most likley a sexist.
Of course, forced prostitution is something else but that's a problem that could be solved if the society would really care about it. It's just that nobody really does.

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Well, Magical-Soul got banned. Anyone want to discuss that? She appears to have quite a conservative view when it came to women and welfare.


She sometimes makes some good points... when she isn't throwing out extreme/hostile broad-sweeping generalizations. The problems are pretty nuanced with people drawing the line in different places. Wouldn't it be more productive to have everyone come out and define the line for themselves and maybe plot it out or something? That surely could give us a starting point to discuss these problems for real as we could all be on the same page for our definitions.


I prefer just defining where the line is for us before categorizing people and actions as one or the other. You know, say WHY you think someone is sexist, even over something minor. If you can back your insult, then it is fair game for the most part.


For example, I find it misogynistic of Magical to wish rape upon others women. Being a women does not exclude her from misogyny, to which she herself admits to. She repeatedly asserts that women were happier without any waves of feminism and much better off being housewives and were inferior in someways to men and a lot of other crap. PrinceJudar even surmises that Magical has a problem with women (They're friends though). And honestly? If a man said this he'd be pegged as sexist, misogynistic, and perhaps sexually unfulfilled. Though I don't know about Magical's sexual fulfillment, I firmly believe she is the uncle ruckus of the forum to display such crude, unrefined, and vile hatred of anyone that disagrees with her....mainly feminists.

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