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You all have presumably reading/watching things that have been about the sexes, but more interestingly is the aftermath that everyone likes to speculate on.

http://www.businessinsider.com/social-security-fund-could-run-out-by-2017-2011-8

Back in 2008-2010, people predicted social security going bankrupt in 2017. That may have been a little early, but 2021 is looking much more likely.

Some people are expecting 2017 to be a low point, recover than a crash in 2021.

Economic crashes are known as "soft collapse" scenarios, there will be no boots on the ground to fight in close quarters. It'll simply be the economy failing to support the bottom, which will eventually kill the top as well.

There are people who think(and want) a soft collapse to turn into a harder collapse(guns drawn, violence initiated).

Studies and research would indicate that during times of unrest, the sexes are drawn together(more like women to men, similar to what happened during WWII) and that the recovery is typically much healthier time than just before a war/collapse.

Seeing as how a lot of people here -- myself included -- hasn't experienced a hard or soft collapse(2008 wasn't either), or any war for that matter.

If there's a soft collapse in 2021, what will you be doing? Do you think your zombie survival experience will prove helpful?
Posted 5/8/16
Probably crying in a corner.
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That prediction was completely wrong. Completely and totally wrong. You're very young, so you don't know, but conservative doomsayers have been making these same false predictions for over 40 years. (that's as long as I can remember) You can talk all you want about what if but it's not going to happen. Not in 2017, not in 2021.
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I'm in a fairly rural area with the means to be almost fully self-sustainable if needed. I feel bad for people who live in cities because they would be among the first and most affected in such a scenario.

Naturally, it would be better avoided altogether if we can get some meaningful SS reform. Namely, getting better at identifying those who are milking the system and encourage people to make their own retirement plans rather than relying on SS. Also, SS will not just stop paying. Worst case scenario is that the SSA only pays out a percentage of the benefits (around 77%...ish) after 2033 or so, according to a USA Today article.
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md4124 wrote:

That prediction was completely wrong. Completely and totally wrong. You're very young, so you don't know, but conservative doomsayers have been making these same false predictions for over 40 years. (that's as long as I can remember) You can talk all you want about what if but it's not going to happen. Not in 2017, not in 2021.


Here we have a person who can't distinguish from a economic collapse from a doomsday date.

Allow myself to fill you(and other people with holes in their brain) in.

A doomsday date is when someone predicts a disaster that takes out a lot of life, such as an end of the world scenario or zombie outbreak.

An economic crash is not a doomsday, and using basic math, we can narrow down a specific time period of when said crash/unrest shall occur, if the bottom of society doesn't have enough money to live without assistance, they have to take money from somewhere else, they have to tax higher earners like myself to pay for people who need assistance working their dead end fast food/retail/service jobs.

As more and more people relie on welfare(single moms, people in section 8 housing), and their being less people to pay such amounts of money(declining population, less people to work jobs at all), you eventually run out of money to pay the people on welfare, which crumbles back into them not having enough resources to buy luxury items like cookies, video games, movies, computers, etc. which will end up killing the median people's money since the bottom is the biggest audience.

Since the median gets less money, they are gonna lose money, which will take out the top as they no longer have any market because can hardly pay for housing and water, so who would buy the new iPhone or Call of Duty?


So, yeah. Soft collapse will happen. Being scared of it is one thing, straight up denial of issues will net you a quick death when they hit the fan.

Good luck!
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It will do what we here in Germany do, just make more debt. All of our social security is in the red for several decades now, but we are important enough to get new AAA credits everywhere. Considering the USA is even bigger and more important, just keep piling up that debt. A collapse in your lifetime is unlikely and even if, growing plants is simple, I grow fruit on my balcony, only idiots who insist on staying in the cities will starve, everyone else will grow their own stuff and engage in full on no-holds-barred capitalism and the economy will reset until a new generation of morons who never had to work for anything in their lives grows up to belive communism is the answer will destroy everything once again.
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My father has been going on about the same thing (not sure really) but he's been going on recently about how if oppression in this country continues there will be a revolution among political parties whatever. I don't buy it
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Magical-Soul wrote:


md4124 wrote:

That prediction was completely wrong. Completely and totally wrong. You're very young, so you don't know, but conservative doomsayers have been making these same false predictions for over 40 years. (that's as long as I can remember) You can talk all you want about what if but it's not going to happen. Not in 2017, not in 2021.


Here we have a person who can't distinguish from a economic collapse from a doomsday date.

I'm pretty sure md4124 was referring to prediction of social security running out of funds.
I believe there was a lot of this kind of talk in 2006 during the attempt to tie social security to the stock market.
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In the end I'm pretty sure I'll be fine, Whatever happens, happens.
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I guess I'll just have to figure something out
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I'm not sure what this thread is about.

The social security fund? Economic collapse? War? People hooking up?

It's true people have been predicting the imminent collapse of social security for decades. The estimates get pushed back 5 years every 5 years. Funny how that works. We should not ignore the increased costs going forward, but we can manage them and have time to do so. It's not all doom & gloom.

What specifically do you believe will cause an economic collapse by 2021? Too many poor people receiving too many benefits? Really?

Who specifically wants economic collapse followed by violence?

What does any of this have to do with people having sex or zombies?
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So you explained what an economic collapse is, but you didn't really explain why one is imminent... I personally think it sounds like a bunch of malarkey!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

The explanation.

RIP unprepared humans.

Posted 5/8/16

PrinceJudar wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

The explanation.

RIP unprepared humans.



oh yeah I totally remember watching that when it first came out hahaha

it starts with grocery stores and then more and more automation takes over as we get comfortable. Personally I can't wait.

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Magical-Soul wrote:


md4124 wrote:

That prediction was completely wrong. Completely and totally wrong. You're very young, so you don't know, but conservative doomsayers have been making these same false predictions for over 40 years. (that's as long as I can remember) You can talk all you want about what if but it's not going to happen. Not in 2017, not in 2021.


Here we have a person who can't distinguish from a economic collapse from a doomsday date.

Allow myself to fill you(and other people with holes in their brain) in.

A doomsday date is when someone predicts a disaster that takes out a lot of life, such as an end of the world scenario or zombie outbreak.

An economic crash is not a doomsday, and using basic math, we can narrow down a specific time period of when said crash/unrest shall occur, if the bottom of society doesn't have enough money to live without assistance, they have to take money from somewhere else, they have to tax higher earners like myself to pay for people who need assistance working their dead end fast food/retail/service jobs.

As more and more people relie on welfare(single moms, people in section 8 housing), and their being less people to pay such amounts of money(declining population, less people to work jobs at all), you eventually run out of money to pay the people on welfare, which crumbles back into them not having enough resources to buy luxury items like cookies, video games, movies, computers, etc. which will end up killing the median people's money since the bottom is the biggest audience.

Since the median gets less money, they are gonna lose money, which will take out the top as they no longer have any market because can hardly pay for housing and water, so who would buy the new iPhone or Call of Duty?


So, yeah. Soft collapse will happen. Being scared of it is one thing, straight up denial of issues will net you a quick death when they hit the fan.

Good luck!


He did call these people doomsayers, but I think you are taking that much too literally when you interpret is as people talking about extinction or some such.

His point is valid - at almost ANY point in the past, people have been saying that an economic collapse in imminent. They paint a picture that makes it seem pretty logically straightforward, too, but the problem is the same for any sort of economic theory: it is all too complex, there are too many variables, and more often than not weird shit happens. Collapses have happened when very few people expected it, and no collapse has happened when almost everyone does.

I don't really care to speculate on this issue... I don't see how my doing so would have any impact, and I am not in any position to prepare for an economic collapse. My only hope is that, if there is a collapse, a decent system will be put in place to replace the currently backwards one we have now.
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