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By this logic, every human in existence is guilty of this.
By being born, by simply existing, you are calling me evil. You are calling me a thief. That's racism, and it's wretched. If your people considered this land sacred, they should have done a better job of defending it. I'm not going to deny that my ancestors took your ancestors' land, but that was a long time ago and if you have a beef with every last American because of what happened over a century ago, you should get professional help. You weren't alive in that time so you really have no room to talk.



Mate my people died in their hundreds of thousands defending this land . But we were a tribal society using melee weapons and bows against a gunpowder era army with superior training. My people were warriors, hunters, and gatherers not soldiers. Our own philosophies tended to view killing as a sin regardless of why you had to do it.

And it may have been your ancestors that took the land but I don't see you and or any other white person giving it back and going back to your homelands..


Do you even know your people's history? They weren't peace loving pacifists. Many of them were warmongering savages that killed and raped. The native forms of torture were brutal.

Do you even know any of the world's history, for that matter? When somebody invades a land they don't just give it back, that's not how the world works. My homeland is here. I was born here. My father before me was born here. His father was born here. I've never even left the continent, let alone the country. I can't "go back" because I've never left. Do you even hear yourself? You don't own this land any more than I do. You and I were born at the same time to parents with equal rights.
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Ranwolf wrote:


rile99 wrote:


By this logic, every human in existence is guilty of this.
By being born, by simply existing, you are calling me evil. You are calling me a thief. That's racism, and it's wretched. If your people considered this land sacred, they should have done a better job of defending it. I'm not going to deny that my ancestors took your ancestors' land, but that was a long time ago and if you have a beef with every last American because of what happened over a century ago, you should get professional help. You weren't alive in that time so you really have no room to talk.



Mate my people died in their hundreds of thousands defending this land . But we were a tribal society using melee weapons and bows against a gunpowder era army with superior training. My people were warriors, hunters, and gatherers not soldiers. Our own philosophies tended to view killing as a sin regardless of why you had to do it.

And it may have been your ancestors that took the land but I don't see you and or any other white person giving it back and going back to your homelands..


Your profile indicates you live in Canada. Assuming neither you nor an ancestor moved here from the States, then your people did not in fact die by the hundreds of thousands to defend their land. Instead, they willingly ceded it in a mutual, negotiated treaty agreement. You can certainly argue that they certainly weren't getting a fair deal, but its not as violent or heroic as you're making it out to be. Unless there's some historical event or massacre that occurred against Natives in Canada that I've forgotten.

As for why white people don't move back to Europe, it is because there is literally nothing there for us anymore. Do you think we just left the maids in charge of the house while our ancestors went on extended vacation and as soon as we get back we'll get a cheery welcome and our old homes back in working order?

I acknowledge the inherent hypocrisy of disparaging my ancestors for the things they did while still benefiting from those injustices. That doesn't change the fact that those injustices created the only real home I have. I might be of German and Scot-Irish descent, but I have as little in common with those people and their culture as you do. These are reasons why nobody started packing up to leave when we realized that what our ancestors did to Native Americans could no longer be justified by contemporary (and current) moral standards. As bad as it was, they weren't willing to abandon the homes and families they'd built here.

Like it or not, we're not going anywhere anytime soon. Is that fair? Probably not, but realistically speaking, what can any of us actually do about it? Are you going to spend the rest of your life scowling at every white person you walk by and wallowing in bitterness? What the hell does that accomplish? No really, answer me honestly what you hope to get out of this internet argument on a Crunchyroll forum of all places.
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Your profile indicates you live in Canada. Assuming neither you nor an ancestor moved here from the States, then your people did not in fact die by the hundreds of thousands to defend their land. Instead, they willingly ceded it in a mutual, negotiated treaty agreement. You can certainly argue that they certainly weren't getting a fair deal, but its not as violent or heroic as you're making it out to be. Unless there's some historical event or massacre that occurred against Natives in Canada that I've forgotten.

As for why white people don't move back to Europe, it is because there is literally nothing there for us anymore. Do you think we just left the maids in charge of the house while our ancestors went on extended vacation and as soon as we get back we'll get a cheery welcome and our old homes back in working order?

I acknowledge the inherent hypocrisy of disparaging my ancestors for the things they did while still benefiting from those injustices. That doesn't change the fact that those injustices created the only real home I have. I might be of German and Scot-Irish descent, but I have as little in common with those people and their culture as you do. These are reasons why nobody started packing up to leave when we realized that what our ancestors did to Native Americans could no longer be justified by contemporary (and current) moral standards. As bad as it was, they weren't willing to abandon the homes and families they'd built here.

Like it or not, we're not going anywhere anytime soon. Is that fair? Probably not, but realistically speaking, what can any of us actually do about it? Are you going to spend the rest of your life scowling at every white person you walk by and wallowing in bitterness? What the hell does that accomplish? No really, answer me honestly what you hope to get out of this internet argument on a Crunchyroll forum of all places.


(I'd suggest saying Celtic rather than Irish-Scottish, unless there's some reason you're using just those two)
Anyways, I think you've made a good point. The minute I read 'Crunchyroll' I kind of lost it. For the love of God, this is a website where we watch cartoons (forgive me) made in Japan.

Talking about one guy's hatred of white people and trying to convince him otherwise isn't what the creators of Crunchyroll had in mind when they started it (Who knows, I could be wrong...)
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rile99 wrote:


walker1455 wrote:


Your profile indicates you live in Canada. Assuming neither you nor an ancestor moved here from the States, then your people did not in fact die by the hundreds of thousands to defend their land. Instead, they willingly ceded it in a mutual, negotiated treaty agreement. You can certainly argue that they certainly weren't getting a fair deal, but its not as violent or heroic as you're making it out to be. Unless there's some historical event or massacre that occurred against Natives in Canada that I've forgotten.

As for why white people don't move back to Europe, it is because there is literally nothing there for us anymore. Do you think we just left the maids in charge of the house while our ancestors went on extended vacation and as soon as we get back we'll get a cheery welcome and our old homes back in working order?

I acknowledge the inherent hypocrisy of disparaging my ancestors for the things they did while still benefiting from those injustices. That doesn't change the fact that those injustices created the only real home I have. I might be of German and Scot-Irish descent, but I have as little in common with those people and their culture as you do. These are reasons why nobody started packing up to leave when we realized that what our ancestors did to Native Americans could no longer be justified by contemporary (and current) moral standards. As bad as it was, they weren't willing to abandon the homes and families they'd built here.

Like it or not, we're not going anywhere anytime soon. Is that fair? Probably not, but realistically speaking, what can any of us actually do about it? Are you going to spend the rest of your life scowling at every white person you walk by and wallowing in bitterness? What the hell does that accomplish? No really, answer me honestly what you hope to get out of this internet argument on a Crunchyroll forum of all places.


(I'd suggest saying Celtic rather than Irish-Scottish, unless there's some reason you're using just those two)
Anyways, I think you've made a good point. The minute I read 'Crunchyroll' I kind of lost it. For the love of God, this is a website where we watch cartoons (forgive me) made in Japan.

Talking about one guy's hatred of white people and trying to convince him otherwise isn't what the creators of Crunchyroll had in mind when they started it (Who knows, I could be wrong...)


That's what I keep tellin' people. You're not gonna convince people of things in a few minutes with an argument on Crunchyroll. If you really have a problem you should actually do something about it. That's not always true like in cases where the problem is about the community itself but it's almost always the case.
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That's what I keep tellin' people. You're not gonna convince people of things in a few minutes with an argument on Crunchyroll. If you really have a problem you should actually do something about it. That's not always true like in cases where the problem is about the community itself but it's almost always the case.


It should be stated that the purpose of argument isn't to prove who's right and who's wrong, but to inform.
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Ranwolf wrote:


rile99 wrote:


By this logic, every human in existence is guilty of this.
By being born, by simply existing, you are calling me evil. You are calling me a thief. That's racism, and it's wretched. If your people considered this land sacred, they should have done a better job of defending it. I'm not going to deny that my ancestors took your ancestors' land, but that was a long time ago and if you have a beef with every last American because of what happened over a century ago, you should get professional help. You weren't alive in that time so you really have no room to talk.



Mate my people died in their hundreds of thousands defending this land . But we were a tribal society using melee weapons and bows against a gunpowder era army with superior training. My people were warriors, hunters, and gatherers not soldiers. Our own philosophies tended to view killing as a sin regardless of why you had to do it.

And it may have been your ancestors that took the land but I don't see you and or any other white person giving it back and going back to your homelands..


To the victor go the spoils.

Really though, people that think like you, who seem pretty much stuck up their own arse, really need to get a clue. What's done is done and the people of this generation have nothing to do with it. Move on with your life geez.
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Well, this went to an odd place. I'm not even sure where to start with that. It takes a looooong time to finish a game of Sins of the Father ( Or in this case the great great great great great grandfather? ). There's no one responsible still alive and no one that suffered its affects first hand on the other end alive either. So I'm not exactly sure what sort of resolution you want unless you just want to yell about things.

And what am I suppose to do with my mixed blood? Yell at my leg till it feels bad? -.-





I don't know mate, an awful lot of white people out there refusing to go back to Europe. Honestly you'd think they think North America belongs to them or something.

As for Metis like you, I donna flip coin if it makes you feel better.



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To the victor go the spoils.

Really though, people that think like you, who seem pretty much stuck up their own arse, really need to get a clue. What's done is done and the people of this generation have nothing to do with it. Move on with your life geez.


I have moved on with my life, in ways some of my people can not. That does not mean I have to agree with the hypocritical folk like you who think they have the moral high ground. You don't, you never will until you either prove your superiority in a contest of arms ( i.e war) or leave the continent. You may have been born here but this is not home and under no decent set of morality or values ever will be.

I accept the impractically of my viewpoint but that does not automatically make you right by any stretch of the imagination. Rather your clinging to such a barbaric viewpoint as to the victor go the spoils only destroys any claim you have to the moral high ground. My people did not only suffer the theft of their sacred homeland but years of systematic abuse . Confinement to reserves were life was kept at purposefully subpar level, the deliberate spreading of smallpox and other diseases, and the residential schools that tried to turn us into white people through torture and separation from our parents. Where the language and culture of our people was deemed sins.

The sheer absurd amount of effort I had to go through to find a teacher for my mother tongue shows the white people are not only conquerors but genocidal madmen. That the current generation is not does not wipe history clean nor totally absolves the white race of blame. Nothing of any real substance has been done to apologise for what my people went through.

And the fact the white race has done the same thing in Africa and Asia just adds more nails to the coffin.
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Saying that being for Americans born here does not make it their home is ridiculous. Everybody came from somewhere. Native Americans are just Asians who left Siberia. Also, you literally just said whoever proves their superiority in a contest of arms has the moral high ground. That goes absolutely counter to what you said about the viewpoint that to the victor go the spoils.
And I'm pretty sure the Natives got beat. That's why Native land is limited to reservations under jurisdiction of the US government.
Just because whites are the superior race doesn't make them evil.
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The Rothschilds, The Rockerfellers, The United States government, the British royal family. Zionist Israel.
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Ranwolf wrote:

So many candidates for this title. If we're taking strictly body count Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin are tied for the crown. If we talking about the evil that had the longest lasting impact it is much thornier . Personally my vote goes towards the Caucasian race as a whole . The horrors they inflicted on my people are still fresh upon the minds of my fellow natives.


Because ALL whites are to blame what happened in the past.

Well I guess my vote goes to the Muslim community, since they have been doing most of the terrorist attacks or doing nothing to stop the extremist in their midsts. OR you could say the black community since they are killing each other and committing crimes at a much higher rate than any other race.


all whites may not be to blame, but they certainly are reaping the benefits of the aftermath
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I don't think the most evil person to ever live has ever lived yet because all the evil people that have already lived were convinced that what they were doing was just.

I think the most evil person to ever live has to be evil just for the sake of being evil
Posted 5/9/16
I don't know if he's the most evil, but I'd like to throw Grigoi Yefimovitch Rasputin in.
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