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Post Reply Hard work, genius, or pure luck?
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Hail_King_Kakao wrote:
Nah uh I'm retarded.
Don't go full retard!
/never got a oscar/

Posted 5/10/16
It's got to be work.
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You don´t have to be a genius to achieve your goals, but you do have to work hard. So I value hard work more. There are some scenarios where luck is a factor, such as being at the right place at the right time and landing your dream job, but without the hard work, you´d just fail that opportunity. Relying on luck alone is irresponsible and unrealistic.
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Focus on taking advantage of your strengths instead of getting all down about not being good at every single thing in the world.
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fredreload wrote:

I don't believe in luck, I believe in hard work, but sometimes I feel I can never surpass a genius. For one I do not have the patience and while being careless I always miss out on the small steps. I'm a programmer, but in terms of programming speed I can never beat this Chinese guy, who writes it from sketch. I am a learner who learns from seeing people do the actual work, but reading a manual seems to take a while for me. I admire people who can read manual and seems to know what to do. Well I see them as competitors, probably hypocritical of me. Well, let me know what you think, personally I think genius is unbeatable

Btw, personally I think luck runs out


This is the most accurate thing I've heard all day lol
Posted 5/10/16
It's what Looney Tunes has been trying to tell us.
Notice when Wile E Coyote tries so hard to catch Roadrunner he never can.
Elmer Fudd can never catch that wabbit.
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its paradoxically often the regular people with no outstanding growth rates who reach the top; it is not filled with geniuses who got there with little effort. it's easy to mistake experienced people for geniuses anyways though

how? when you find people who say they have 5 years or so of experience, what they really mean most of the time is that they only did it for 45min a day or so. how often would you find a person who was on the verge of insanity at one point and goes at it for over 12hours a day? there are also more factors like do you just set your mind on auto-pilot 90% of the time you practice or do you always focus on new things?are you one of the 90% who quit within a few weeks?

the number of regular people in general also just vastly outnumbers the non-regulars so there are gunna be some with lucky leaps of discoveries or plain better resources and connections. einstein himself was lucky to live in Germany, the center of physics at the time and he had great support from a mathematician who gave him advice. even then, his notes reveal a lot of dead-end equations and incorrect math tossed into the thrash bin in frustration."Do not worry about your math problems, mine are greater still." -Albert Einstein. He competed with another professor to see who would develop what would later become a famous formula and it ended up becoming a draw but he decided to give Albert the win, lol. His name escapes me at the moment. a genius who also works hard sounds good on paper but they are generally too rare for you to worry about all the other qualities blossoming in one of them if you're aiming for the top. If anything, it's more likely to be someone who has above-average talent but not by a significant margin since being a little good at something often encourages someone to become really good.

"Those who brag about their intelligence are losers."
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im just lazy
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Luck is just what we call a statistically inevitable event that we personally witness. -.-

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You should watch sakurasou no pet na kanojo Basically is about what your talking about + slice of life + school + romance + comedy + semi-otaku culture
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A dropout will beat a genius through hard work. ~Rock Lee (from Naruto)
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I am a great believer in luck. No matter how hard you work and no matter how good your are at something naturally a person who is worse than you at it naturally and has put in less work can win through luck. Granted almost every person operating at a world level has been lucky. Also, while without luck you wont get to far everyone has at least some luck and with the other two can make it.
Hard work is something to be admired, when I was younger that was what I believed in the most and it was I did the most, I tried to work hard to surpass people. Now, that mindset has changed. Hard work will get you places sure, but it will not beat out the genius and we already went over how luck is literally RNG so don't bother with it. No matter how hard I work I'm never beating Einstein, and no matter how hard someone else tries they are never beating Mozart. Neither of those things can happen unless you are either better or just as good as them in that subject (with a few exceptions if you are exceptionally lucky) You may say those are just outliers but if you have gone to school you know what I am talking about. There are always a few people who no matter how hard you work you cannot beat them even when they did not study or put in any where near as much work. Some people are just that talented and that is what their genius is.
Then there is genius. This in my opinion is the most reliable. If you are a genius its pretty hard to screw up. Things come naturally, almost everyone at the world level is at the very least talented, I would say maybe 50% of world level people in anything are geniuses in their field (Physical talent is included here). Again you have seen the kids in school who barely pay attention in class do not study and always get perfect marks. Or the kid who sits at a chess board and beats everyone at a tournament at the age of 8. The second one is an extreme case of genius, the first example is a very common one.
Now, to be fair most really great people have all three, they have luck, they put in a lot of work, and they are talented. The only one you can control though is work so working your hardest is always your best bet even if you know you are not a genius who knows, maybe you will get lucky.
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First of all, this QUESTION is WRONG my friend . Start competing with yourself and the you will experience the miracles, never compete with others it will only reduce your standard , it may seem fruitful instantaneously but on long term it will lead to failure.

Anyway, yes, Hard Work can beat inborn Genius. First let me explain the two words quoted here- With Hard Work one can achieve great success in life .But if you really want to do justice to you then you have to be determined , create your interest in that thing , dedicate to achieve things and there are several other elements. It can be related to a PIZZA . Let hard work be the pizza base(bread). One can eat bread and be happy , and the rest other things resides on that base . So, there is no substitute of hard work you can just change the materials used to get different flavours.

Now let me explain about inborn Genius , they are extremely talented in sense if you need to read 4 times to memorize anything he/she may get it in just one attempt. There is nothing extraordinary things in such geniuses. Because as I explained earlier there is no substitute for hard work howsoever genius one is. Yes, the change may be in the time dedicated.

I will be giving two examples which will clearly differentiate the two=-

I am very good at MATHEMATICS . The situation is that the second highest scorer of the class use to be nearly 20 marks behind me. I have a very fast writing speed and i'm not having a confused state of mind . The above descriptions partially put me in the genius category as compared to the class. In the same class there is another student who is not good in MATHEMATICS at all . He use to pass the examination with the grace marks. He is having slow writing speed and confused state of mind. Till, class-12 he was not known by anyone of the teachers . In the Board examination everything was fine i expected to again top the class . And i was having the highest marks in mathematics but was shocked to see the result . Now the secong highest scorer was changed and he was merely 5 marks behind me and he was the same boy with so much shortcomings. After the declaration of the result i went to the same boy and asked him about his success, he gently replied that he practiced a lot. This shows with hard work lots of things can be achieved which may even beat an inborn genius.
One of my classmate was having extremely sharp mind, whatever was taught in the class was on his finger tips always.He was having capability of becoming one of greatest researchers this world has ever seen. But he was not hardworking as he did't realized the importance of hardwork. Presently, he is doctor in a good hospital. But, he use to regret his carelessness. Today he is not what he could have been as per his capabilities. This shows that even inborn Genius need to work hard to achieve things. So, overall there is no substitute of hard work.



In short, NO. But this is a complicated question with a lot of nuance. Let me explain.

If you are comparing Virat Kohli with Rohit Sharma, chances are the one who works harder will achieve more. But if you are comparing my cricketing ability against that of a cricketing genius such as Virat or Rohit, then I have no chance. Hard work simply doesn't matter in that case. Similarly, if you are not born with intellectual prowess comparable to Einstein, no amount of hard work will enable you to match his achievements. This is true in all walks of life: Exceptional success in ANY field requires certain exceptional inborn qualities. If you are not born with them, you cannot overcome your limitations by sheer hard work and achieve greatness.

But, can a less talented person do "better" in life, as compared to a more talented person? And the answer is a definite Yes, as we often see. A dear friend of mine who is a borderline genius, got his PhD in Physics from one of the world's top universities. He spent much of his life doing some really exotic, esoteric research with or under Nobel Prize winners. But he considers himself a failure in life because he himself has not done anything worthy of a Nobel Prize. And while he has a comfortable life, he is not rich by any means. Lesser persons from our class have gone on to become CEOs of fairly big companies, are very successful doctors, etc. and have led a financially better and in general more fulfilling life.

A more talented person will likely attempt to do something that a less talented person won't. And s/he may fail at it and may have a less fulfilling, even miserable life. Talent is a double-edged sword.

So, even though I tell my children that hard work can beat genius, it is mainly a motivational ploy. Deep in my heart I know that it is not true.


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I believe the common problem with hard work is that it is often misdirected. Too many kids spend too much time trying to mindlessly reread math/physics/history books only to remember very little compared to if they thought of it in terms of trying to actively connect concepts. Hell, you'd remember more from trying to research the subjects in order to beat an argumentive internet troll who insulted your knowledge in a field. Research shows that if you are asked to learn the content to teach them instead of trying to just get good marks, your brain organizes the information better and learns more efficiently, scoring more than the control group who only wants higher scores. "If you cannot explain it simply, you do not understand it well enough."-Albert Einstein. That and you actually have a reason to to learn the contents so you remember them due to being emotionally charged.

Again, you do not learn well from putting your mind in auto-pilot. If you think you're doing your best by putting hours into mindlessly rereading text that you probably find boring, you're not putting as much into it as you think you are.

This is especially true in language classes, you ain't learning crap from those textbooks by just putting the hours into them. I know plenty of people who were mistaken for geniuses simply because they moved onto things like immersion methods and nobody else in their class could get anywhere close to beating them despite their best efforts. The irony is that these people used to be bad at those classes themselves.
Posted 5/10/16
HARD WORK!
Posted 5/10/16
I lack all 3
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