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Post Reply Hard work, genius, or pure luck?
Posted 5/10/16
I tried programming..didn't iike it..too boring for me. As for luck, I have enough but I lack hardwork and being a genius. All in all, I prefer having the luck.
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I'd bet it's more likely he's just a more experienced programmer. Keep working you'll get there.
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Posted 5/10/16
Even if you are a Genius and work hard that doesn't mean you will end up near the top or well off in life.

Luck is a big factor.

That's not to say they can't get you there its just even the most intelligent and hard working person in the world could become homeless or never reach the same heights as someone who is less intelligent and hardworking.

It's life it sucks get fucked and get over it.
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Posted 5/10/16

PrinceJudar wrote:

Intelligence is more to do with appetite and less to do with aptitude (only partially so).

It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer. - Einstein

Passion and perpetual curiosity is where intelligence can be found.



I have a passion for eating food.

...i can also tell you where the best places in my town to get food are....

THUS I AM INTELLIGENT
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Posted 5/10/16
for me a Genius is how fast he/she learn something new,can push the basic out of it, but not mastering it.
Hard Work is the time needed to master it,learning the pattern,timing,perfect timing and combination everytime performing it.
Pure Luck? well maybe in a casino or any rng based algorithm,i dont see much use of it rather than those,or in non logical base/non common sense,non technical base action.like example: romance or feeling sympathize.

if i need to categorize myself base on how i view the three subject,i'll say i m a genius,and a semi hardworking guy,i hate luck based incident/work/job,and even if i manage to done a certain job,but coz of luck,i still wont be satisfy.if i really love the subject/job/task,i will try to put all my time to it,to fine tune it to a max potential.

but,in where i live,i need to work almost 11 hour a day,6 day/week,its really really hard to get more time beside a mundane job to get enough $ for basic need.

Good day everyone

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Posted 5/10/16
It's all hard work. No such thing as a born genius. But in learning programming for example, I find that some people are really much faster at learning stuff than me, and also able to write much better code from scratch than me. It is an accumulation of years of critical thinking that has really made the difference I think. Some people are really just able to see a problem, then know what kind of design pattern is best for the solution, then go and program it. It's really hard to explain the difference when the guy has the same amount of experience as me, but I think sometimes some people just have a better understanding of the fundamentals and are able to really apply them so naturally, it looks like genius. But it's not genius. It's an accumulation of years and years of critical thinking everyday, lots of hard work.


You mention some Chinese guy, you know in Chinese high school kids literally study from sun up to sun down 16 hours a day? As one person explained to me, you wake up at 6am to go to school, sleep an hour after lunch, go home at 7pm, study till midnight, then sleep and repeat. Saturdays are disregarded and Sundays are only slightly more relaxed. He also said that most kids just try to memorize everything for the test, and such studying makes them dumb. But the best kids are the poor kids on full scholarships that you meet in American universities, they are the ones who have really learned to learn the right way and made that education benefit them. Like in programming for example.



The best genius I have met is a girl from Luxemburg who can solve a 6x6 rubics cube in under half an hour, while having a conversation with people about completely unrelated topics. That was absolutely amazing.
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Posted 5/11/16
I heard that some people have photographic memory that they can look at the answers for few mins and than ace the test easily! >.< Those kind of people I feel sorry for, because they don't realized how serious it is not to understanding the questions that they answered by memorizing.

I rather work hard, would be nice if I'm born genius.. it would make my life lot simpler. heh
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Posted 5/11/16

goodman528 wrote:

It's all hard work. No such thing as a born genius. But in learning programming for example, I find that some people are really much faster at learning stuff than me, and also able to write much better code from scratch than me. It is an accumulation of years of critical thinking that has really made the difference I think. Some people are really just able to see a problem, then know what kind of design pattern is best for the solution, then go and program it. It's really hard to explain the difference when the guy has the same amount of experience as me, but I think sometimes some people just have a better understanding of the fundamentals and are able to really apply them so naturally, it looks like genius. But it's not genius. It's an accumulation of years and years of critical thinking everyday, lots of hard work.


You mention some Chinese guy, you know in Chinese high school kids literally study from sun up to sun down 16 hours a day? As one person explained to me, you wake up at 6am to go to school, sleep an hour after lunch, go home at 7pm, study till midnight, then sleep and repeat. Saturdays are disregarded and Sundays are only slightly more relaxed. He also said that most kids just try to memorize everything for the test, and such studying makes them dumb. But the best kids are the poor kids on full scholarships that you meet in American universities, they are the ones who have really learned to learn the right way and made that education benefit them. Like in programming for example.



The best genius I have met is a girl from Luxemburg who can solve a 6x6 rubics cube in under half an hour, while having a conversation with people about completely unrelated topics. That was absolutely amazing.



I heard that people in Japan only have two week of summer break or month.. not sure. Plus they have longer school hours than America school have! >.<

Would be nice if we look out for our children future generations by following Japan/China Example by adding more hours at school and shorten the summer break! XD
Posted 5/11/16
I have genius and luck on my side for the most part. Hard work is probably something I will never master. I see no point in it, to be honest.
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Posted 5/12/16

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goodman528 wrote:

It's all hard work. No such thing as a born genius. But in learning programming for example, I find that some people are really much faster at learning stuff than me, and also able to write much better code from scratch than me. It is an accumulation of years of critical thinking that has really made the difference I think. Some people are really just able to see a problem, then know what kind of design pattern is best for the solution, then go and program it. It's really hard to explain the difference when the guy has the same amount of experience as me, but I think sometimes some people just have a better understanding of the fundamentals and are able to really apply them so naturally, it looks like genius. But it's not genius. It's an accumulation of years and years of critical thinking everyday, lots of hard work.


You mention some Chinese guy, you know in Chinese high school kids literally study from sun up to sun down 16 hours a day? As one person explained to me, you wake up at 6am to go to school, sleep an hour after lunch, go home at 7pm, study till midnight, then sleep and repeat. Saturdays are disregarded and Sundays are only slightly more relaxed. He also said that most kids just try to memorize everything for the test, and such studying makes them dumb. But the best kids are the poor kids on full scholarships that you meet in American universities, they are the ones who have really learned to learn the right way and made that education benefit them. Like in programming for example.



The best genius I have met is a girl from Luxemburg who can solve a 6x6 rubics cube in under half an hour, while having a conversation with people about completely unrelated topics. That was absolutely amazing.



I heard that people in Japan only have two week of summer break or month.. not sure. Plus they have longer school hours than America school have! >.<

Would be nice if we look out for our children future generations by following Japan/China Example by adding more hours at school and shorten the summer break! XD



A lot of the big Chinese corporations (in particular the nationally owned ones) only give 11 vacation days a year. In comparison the British company I worked for gave 25 days and French company gave up to 35(!) days. It really is a quite different. In terms of work culture I think Europe is on one extreme and China/Japan is on the other, with America in the middle leaning towards China, and UK in the middle leaning towards Europe.

As for longer school days for kids. I'm not sure if that is a good idea. I want to see the Chinese education system reformed to be more like Europe, as do most of the Chinese people I know. But the problem is with such a huge population the competition is just too intense. There is a common saying that every extra point on the University Entrance Exams (高考) crushes ten thousand people beneath you [一分压万人]. In reality that is probably an understatement if you want to get into a famous university. I am a reasonably intelligent guy and have worked fairly hard by European standards, but having studied with some of the Chinese students who have excelled in their University Entrance Exams, I can honestly say they are just normal people like me but they are on a different level when it comes to work ethics and the amount of stress they can take.
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