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China scrambled fighter jets on Tuesday as a U.S. navy ship sailed close to a disputed reef in the South China Sea, a patrol China denounced as an illegal threat to peace which only went to show its defense installations in the area were necessary.

Guided missile destroyer the USS William P. Lawrence traveled within 12 nautical miles of Chinese-occupied Fiery Cross Reef, U.S. Defense Department spokesman, Bill Urban said.

The so-called freedom of navigation operation was undertaken to "challenge excessive maritime claims" by China, Taiwan, and Vietnam which were seeking to restrict navigation rights in the South China Sea, Urban said.

"These excessive maritime claims are inconsistent with international law as reflected in the Law of the Sea Convention in that they purport to restrict the navigation rights that the United States and all states are entitled to exercise," Urban said in an emailed statement.

China and the United States have traded accusations of militarizing the South China Sea as China undertakes large-scale land reclamations and construction on disputed features while the United States has increased its patrols and exercises.

Facilities on Fiery Cross Reef include a 3,000-metre (10,000-foot) runway which the United States worries China will use it to press its extensive territorial claims at the expense of weaker rivals.

China's Defence Ministry said two fighter jets were scrambled and three warships shadowed the U.S. ship, telling it to leave.

The U.S. patrol "again proves that China's construction of defensive facilities on the relevant reefs in the Nansha Islands is completely reasonable and totally necessary", it said, using China's name for the Spratly Islands where much of its reclamation work is taking place.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang said the U.S. ship illegally entered Chinese waters.

"This action by the U.S. side threatened China's sovereignty and security interests, endangered the staff and facilities on the reef, and damaged regional peace and stability," he told a daily news briefing.



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China claims most of the South China Sea, through which $5 trillion in ship-borne trade passes every year. The Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan and Brunei have overlapping claims.

The Pentagon last month called on China to reaffirm it has no plans to deploy military aircraft in the Spratly Islands after China used a military plane to evacuate sick workers from Fiery Cross.

"Fiery Cross is sensitive because it is presumed to be the future hub of Chinese military operations in the South China Sea, given its already extensive infrastructure, including its large and deep port and 3000-metre runway," said Ian Storey, a South China Sea expert at Singapore's ISEAS Yusof Ishak Institute.

"The timing is interesting, too. It is a show of U.S. determination ahead of President Obama's trip to Vietnam later this month."

Speaking in Vietnam, Daniel Russel, assistant secretary of state for East Asia and the Pacific, said freedom of navigation operations were important for smaller nations.

"If the world's most powerful navy cannot sail where international law permits, then what happens to the ships of navy of smaller countries?," Russel told reporters before news of the operation was made public.

China has reacted with anger to previous U.S. freedom of navigation operations, including the overflight of fighter planes near the disputed Scarborough Shoal last month, and when long-range U.S. bombers flew near Chinese facilities under construction on Cuarteron Reef in the Spratlys last November.

U.S. naval officials believe China has plans to start reclamation and construction activities on Scarborough Shoal, which sits further north of the Spratlys within the Philippines claimed 200 nautical mile (370 km) exclusive economic zone.

A tough-talking city mayor, Rodrigo Duterte, looks set to become president of the Philippines after an election on Monday. He has proposed multilateral talks on the South China Sea.

A Chinese diplomat warned last week that criticism of China over the South China Sea would rebound like a coiled spring.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-usa-china-idUSKCN0Y10DM

Problem, China?

I love the "coiled spring" comment. What the hell are you gonna do, China? Your Navy is shit.
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China scrambled fighter jets on Tuesday as a U.S. navy ship sailed close to a disputed reef in the South China Sea, a patrol China denounced as an illegal threat to peace which only went to show its defense installations in the area were necessary.

Guided missile destroyer the USS William P. Lawrence traveled within 12 nautical miles of Chinese-occupied Fiery Cross Reef, U.S. Defense Department spokesman, Bill Urban said.

The so-called freedom of navigation operation was undertaken to "challenge excessive maritime claims" by China, Taiwan, and Vietnam which were seeking to restrict navigation rights in the South China Sea, Urban said.

"These excessive maritime claims are inconsistent with international law as reflected in the Law of the Sea Convention in that they purport to restrict the navigation rights that the United States and all states are entitled to exercise," Urban said in an emailed statement.

China and the United States have traded accusations of militarizing the South China Sea as China undertakes large-scale land reclamations and construction on disputed features while the United States has increased its patrols and exercises.

Facilities on Fiery Cross Reef include a 3,000-metre (10,000-foot) runway which the United States worries China will use it to press its extensive territorial claims at the expense of weaker rivals.

China's Defence Ministry said two fighter jets were scrambled and three warships shadowed the U.S. ship, telling it to leave.

The U.S. patrol "again proves that China's construction of defensive facilities on the relevant reefs in the Nansha Islands is completely reasonable and totally necessary", it said, using China's name for the Spratly Islands where much of its reclamation work is taking place.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang said the U.S. ship illegally entered Chinese waters.

"This action by the U.S. side threatened China's sovereignty and security interests, endangered the staff and facilities on the reef, and damaged regional peace and stability," he told a daily news briefing.



SENSITIVE AREA

China claims most of the South China Sea, through which $5 trillion in ship-borne trade passes every year. The Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan and Brunei have overlapping claims.

The Pentagon last month called on China to reaffirm it has no plans to deploy military aircraft in the Spratly Islands after China used a military plane to evacuate sick workers from Fiery Cross.

"Fiery Cross is sensitive because it is presumed to be the future hub of Chinese military operations in the South China Sea, given its already extensive infrastructure, including its large and deep port and 3000-metre runway," said Ian Storey, a South China Sea expert at Singapore's ISEAS Yusof Ishak Institute.

"The timing is interesting, too. It is a show of U.S. determination ahead of President Obama's trip to Vietnam later this month."

Speaking in Vietnam, Daniel Russel, assistant secretary of state for East Asia and the Pacific, said freedom of navigation operations were important for smaller nations.

"If the world's most powerful navy cannot sail where international law permits, then what happens to the ships of navy of smaller countries?," Russel told reporters before news of the operation was made public.

China has reacted with anger to previous U.S. freedom of navigation operations, including the overflight of fighter planes near the disputed Scarborough Shoal last month, and when long-range U.S. bombers flew near Chinese facilities under construction on Cuarteron Reef in the Spratlys last November.

U.S. naval officials believe China has plans to start reclamation and construction activities on Scarborough Shoal, which sits further north of the Spratlys within the Philippines claimed 200 nautical mile (370 km) exclusive economic zone.

A tough-talking city mayor, Rodrigo Duterte, looks set to become president of the Philippines after an election on Monday. He has proposed multilateral talks on the South China Sea.

A Chinese diplomat warned last week that criticism of China over the South China Sea would rebound like a coiled spring.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-usa-china-idUSKCN0Y10DM

Problem, China?

I love the "coiled spring" comment. What the hell are you gonna do, China? Your Navy is shit.


They're going to force Donald Trump on us :^)
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Hopefully now we have an excuse to nuke China so they can nuke us so nkorea can nuke us so Russia can nuke us. Hmm, how come everyonewwith nukes hate us?
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I think the US likes to tweak China's nose on the South China Sea every few months just to remind them we can. Its like Russia buzzing US ships with their fighters, reminding the other side where the limits are.
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I think the US likes to tweak China's nose on the South China Sea every few months just to remind them we can. Its like Russia buzzing US ships with their fighters, reminding the other side where the limits are.


Pretty much. Difference being the US doesn't feign ignorance about it afterwards. -.-

Barking at the US navy though is an empty threat. You can bog the US down in land wars but at sea? Christ. The US could turn China into a landlocked nation if it needed too. Never mind before allied nations show up to help. Even if Russia wanted to pitch in and help with its entire navy that's still not even 2/3rd's the size of the US navy.

This isn't much better than the self wanking posturing of Best Korea to be honest.

Starting a naval conflict with the US would have Americans chomping at the bit. A conflict where they don't need to restrain themselves due to the possibility of civilian collateral damage? Where they finally get to unleash their full military power? Something they haven't really gotten to do since WWII? Dear lord.


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Ballistic missiles with tactical small-yield nuclear warheads and nuclear sea mines. Both could take out a naval battle group.

Bravado doesn't just belong to one single side.
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"A Chinese claimed reef" The Chinese are really grasping at sticks right now.
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Problem, China?

I love the "coiled spring" comment. What the hell are you gonna do, China? Your Navy is shit.

Don't be so quick to scorn the Chinese navy, lately they've been spending a fortune to modernise and upgrade their blue-water fleet. The Chinese have even invented a new kind of stealth cruise missile designed specifically destroy US aircraft carriers.

Plus, it certainly helps that Chinese hackers have been targeting all sorts of western companies connected to the arms industry. Today Chinese military technology isn't that far behind the USA anyway, even if much of that technology has been obtained illegally through espionage. Now it's just a question of how long it will be before the Chinese are able to mass-produce these new weapons and distribute them to their armed forces.

As for this latest incident in the South China Sea, troubling news indeed, for all parties concerned. As a region the South China Sea is one of the most dangerous flashpoints in the entire world. If you're looking to start World War Three in a hurry you'd be hard-pressed to find a better catalyst then the South China Sea.
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"A Chinese claimed reef" The Chinese are really grasping at sticks right now.


...The same reef claimed by a number of other countries.

Are they are then grasping at the same sticks?
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Rujikin wrote:

"A Chinese claimed reef" The Chinese are really grasping at sticks right now.


...The same reef claimed by a number of other countries.

Are they are then grasping at the same sticks?


Yeah they are wasting their energy over NOTHING instead of actual issues....

Kind of like Canada and Denmark claiming this worthless rock

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Island



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nanikore2 wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

"A Chinese claimed reef" The Chinese are really grasping at sticks right now.


...The same reef claimed by a number of other countries.

Are they are then grasping at the same sticks?


Yeah they are wasting their energy over NOTHING instead of actual issues....

Kind of like Canada and Denmark claiming this worthless rock

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Island





..................If it's nothing then they should just let China have it and call it a day.
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It's a single boat China, settle down.

"A Chinese diplomat warned last week that criticism of China over the South China Sea would rebound like a coiled spring." You can't take criticism now? Or are you gonna start even more issues because you feel so insecure over your giant territory?

Funny thing is that if they had ignored it, nothing would have happened, and the US's point wouldn't have been proven.
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Rujikin wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

"A Chinese claimed reef" The Chinese are really grasping at sticks right now.


...The same reef claimed by a number of other countries.

Are they are then grasping at the same sticks?


Yeah they are wasting their energy over NOTHING instead of actual issues....

Kind of like Canada and Denmark claiming this worthless rock

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Island





..................If it's nothing then they should just let China have it and call it a day.


Its not like this is completely useless territory that they're arguing over because of nationalism boners (though I suspect those might be playing a role). The South China Sea contains deposits of oil and natural gas, as well as being situated in the path of key shipping lanes. There is a LOT of money involved in this, and any country with an interest in the area would be a fool to give that all away to China. I also suspect, but won't say for certain, that the US is trying to maintain the balance of power in the region so it doesn't tip too far in China's favour.

Same for the Hans Island dispute. The island itself may or may not be important, but its become part of a larger, ongoing territorial dispute that any country with an arctic coastline has an interest in seeing through. Again, because of money. And honestly, the opening phases of the whole Hans Island argument seem to be a playful joke on both sides. I think its the media who's largely blowing things out of proportion on that one.
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Don't be so quick to scorn the Chinese navy, lately they've been spending a fortune to modernise and upgrade their blue-water fleet. The Chinese have even invented a new kind of stealth cruise missile designed specifically destroy US aircraft carriers.


I was going to explain the various military capabilities involved here but then I realized who I was talking too and that such efforts would be futile. >.>


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D4nc3Style wrote:

Problem, China?

I love the "coiled spring" comment. What the hell are you gonna do, China? Your Navy is shit.

Don't be so quick to scorn the Chinese navy, lately they've been spending a fortune to modernise and upgrade their blue-water fleet. The Chinese have even invented a new kind of stealth cruise missile designed specifically destroy US aircraft carriers.

Plus, it certainly helps that Chinese hackers have been targeting all sorts of western companies connected to the arms industry. Today Chinese military technology isn't that far behind the USA anyway, even if much of that technology has been obtained illegally through espionage. Now it's just a question of how long it will be before the Chinese are able to mass-produce these new weapons and distribute them to their armed forces.

As for this latest incident in the South China Sea, troubling news indeed, for all parties concerned. As a region the South China Sea is one of the most dangerous flashpoints in the entire world. If you're looking to start World War Three in a hurry you'd be hard-pressed to find a better catalyst then the South China Sea.


what is your profile pic? I haven't seen you in the threads before
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