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I wouldn't mention age. I find it condescending and unreliable. Nor do I think throwing out accusations of lolicon as if there's anything wrong with it or that the person is one is productive. If you're 20 act like it.


If you have working eyes then clearly you must know that I am responding to a false accusation of me being a 13 year old kid.
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His tax policy is he will maybe lower it but maybe not depending on congress.


This is probably a big one. For all his talk about how he'll fix the US I don't think Trump has the political experience necessary to navigate both Congress and the Senate, especially since Democrats and establishment Republicans already hate his guts. Most career politicians have time to build connections among the other sitting members of these institutions, and know how to game the system in their favour. Donald Trump hasn't spent a day as a member of Congress or a Senator. He doesn't have any of this practical knowledge or connections and I suspect that if he does become President than it'll come back to bite in the ass when the popularity contest ends and he realizes he's now playing on the turf of people who neither like him and have been playing the game longer than he has.

Then again, who really knows what will happen. When Trump started running for the nomination most people thought it was just a bad joke. Now he's set to take the Republican nomination and has a very real shot at becoming President.
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I'm actually 20 and male. I just randomly selected my credentials for my profile. Don't you have some lolis to look at? I already know of the sick, twisted things people like to look at on this site. Degenerate.


Let me get this straight: You "randomly" decided to portray yourself as a 13 year old girl on the forum and you're calling him a degenerate?


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I'm actually 20 and male. I just randomly selected my credentials for my profile. Don't you have some lolis to look at? I already know of the sick, twisted things people like to look at on this site. Degenerate.


Let me get this straight: You "randomly" decided to portray yourself as a 13 year old girl on the forum and you're calling him a degenerate?




Oh yes I "definitely" pretend to be a 13 year old girl to fool guys you caught me. That was sarcasm btw. You can't just say I selected those credentials with a sick and twisted objective in mind. I literally picked the closest options to my mouse. You are also a degenerate for having that false claim in mind, shame on you.
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Oh yes I "definitely" pretend to be a 13 year old girl to fool guys you caught me. That was sarcasm btw. You can't just say I selected those credentials with a sick and twisted objective in mind. I literally picked the closest options to my mouse. You are also a degenerate for having that false claim in mind, shame on you.


Its not a "false claim" when you're the one whose putting forth the claim with your profile. And there is no requirement to fill out a profile when you sign up for the site. So you did this voluntarily and are voluntarily leaving it as such despite the obvious misunderstandings it could and is causing.

So don't try and lay the blame for this on anyone else. You did it voluntarily and you're keeping it that way voluntarily. This is entirely your fault and its idiotic of you to expect everyone to know your real age and gender. Especially when, frankly, you've been demonstrating a 13 year old's grasp of politics. =p



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William6057 wrote:
Oh yes I "definitely" pretend to be a 13 year old girl to fool guys you caught me. That was sarcasm btw. You can't just say I selected those credentials with a sick and twisted objective in mind. I literally picked the closest options to my mouse. You are also a degenerate for having that false claim in mind, shame on you.


Its not a "false claim" when you're the one whose putting forth the claim with your profile. And there is no requirement to fill out a profile when you sign up for the site. So you did this voluntarily and are voluntarily leaving it as such despite the obvious misunderstandings it could and is causing.

So don't try and lay the blame for this on anyone else. You did it voluntarily and you're keeping it that way voluntarily. This is entirely your fault and its idiotic of you to expect everyone to know your real age and gender. Especially when, frankly, you've been demonstrating a 13 year old's grasp of politics. =p





Not really, all of what I've been saying in regards to politics is just common sense. Also, who cares what credentials I use to mask my identity? Again, it is your fault for assuming I am some sicko hoping to get something out of using those specific credentials. Just face it, you lost this argument, you made a bad call of judgement making me to be something I'm not.
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Not really, all of what I've been saying in regards to politics is just common sense.


For an overly excitable 13 year old.



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Also, who cares what credentials I use to mask my identity? Again, it is your fault for assuming I am some sicko hoping to get something out of using those specific credentials.


I am masking my credentials. Without misrepresenting myself in a questionable fashion. I have no exceptions that anyone should know my real age and gender. You voluntarily set those credentials. You are voluntarily not changing them despite the fact they just caused a misunderstanding. No one is at fault here but you. Getting upset with us over a misunderstanding you caused is idiotic.



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Just face it, you lost this argument, you made a bad call of judgement making me to be something I'm not.


You are the one making yourself out to be something you're not. Not us. You can't dress like a clown than complain whenever someone mistakes you for a clown. And besides, you're doing an amazing job of acting like a 13 year old. So its not like any of us can tell based on your posting. ;p



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I wouldn't mention age. I find it condescending and unreliable. Nor do I think throwing out accusations of lolicon as if there's anything wrong with it or that the person is one is productive. If you're 20 act like it.


If you have working eyes then clearly you must know that I am responding to a false accusation of me being a 13 year old kid.


So you decided to pick a 13 as your year, female, and have a picture of Adlet on your profile as an avatar? Those are clear signs of being a female.
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William6057 wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I wouldn't mention age. I find it condescending and unreliable. Nor do I think throwing out accusations of lolicon as if there's anything wrong with it or that the person is one is productive. If you're 20 act like it.


If you have working eyes then clearly you must know that I am responding to a false accusation of me being a 13 year old kid.


So you decided to pick a 13 as your year, female, and have a picture of Adlet on your profile as an avatar? Those are clear signs of being a female.


Adlet's a boss. Are you attacking my choice of avatar now?
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Dude, William. You immediately called someone a degenerate when they said you sounded like a 13 year old and now you are pretending you took the high ground?

Anyways, to address your actual points, how will the trade surplus with Mexico result in Mexico paying money to build the wall? The deficit does not mean that Mexico owes us money. It just means that there is an imbalance between the imports and exports between the two countries which is exceedingly normal.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2016/jan/26/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-course-mexico-can-pay-wall-becau/

Further, immigration from Mexico is directly tied to the economic conditions in Mexico. Forcing them to build a wall would be extremely taxing for their economy which would force even more people out of the country. We are already seeing a significant decrease in illegal immigration so why would we make such a ridiculous move now? Further, a significant portion of illegal immigrants in the United States did not cross the border illegally. Many are cases of overstaying work visas so this "solution" wouldn't even come close to actually solving the "problem".

As for your other suggestions, I think the first major hurdle is the big issues with the Constitutionality of them. The ban on muslims entering the country and the removal of birthright citizenship would come under major fire for being potentially unconstitutional. Further, what problem would the elimination of muslim immigration actually solve? There are about 20 terrorism related deaths per year in the United States, and many of those aren't even from people with a muslim background.
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William6057 wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


William6057 wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I wouldn't mention age. I find it condescending and unreliable. Nor do I think throwing out accusations of lolicon as if there's anything wrong with it or that the person is one is productive. If you're 20 act like it.


If you have working eyes then clearly you must know that I am responding to a false accusation of me being a 13 year old kid.


So you decided to pick a 13 as your year, female, and have a picture of Adlet on your profile as an avatar? Those are clear signs of being a female.


Adlet's a boss. Are you attacking my choice of avatar now?


You said you picked 13 and female by chance it was the closest thing to your cursor or something, but paired with an avatar a female will likely have, I'm fairly confident you knew what you were doing.

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William6057 wrote:
Not really, all of what I've been saying in regards to politics is just common sense.


For an overly excitable 13 year old.



William6057 wrote:
Also, who cares what credentials I use to mask my identity? Again, it is your fault for assuming I am some sicko hoping to get something out of using those specific credentials.


I am masking my credentials. Without misrepresenting myself in a questionable fashion. I have no exceptions that anyone should know my real age and gender. You voluntarily set those credentials. You are voluntarily not changing them despite the fact they just caused a misunderstanding. No one is at fault here but you. Getting upset with us over a misunderstanding you caused is idiotic.



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Just face it, you lost this argument, you made a bad call of judgement making me to be something I'm not.


You are the one making yourself out to be something you're not. Not us. You can't dress like a clown than complain whenever someone mistakes you for a clown. And besides, you're doing an amazing job of acting like a 13 year old. So its not like any of us can tell based on your posting. ;p





You have this delusion that the way I type mimics a 13 year old. It's only because I support Trump, that is why you believe this. You are taking this opportunity to vent your frustrations on someone (me) who is currently being targeted by multiple people. People like you tend to jump in when the oportunity presents itself, thinking that you are more powerful than what you really are due to being in "the cool group". As for me I am not scared to stand up for what I believe in, despite a flock of sheep trying to bring my views down by spewing nonsense and lies.
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I'll agree to change Trump says racist things and instead say Trump employs ad hominem attacks sometimes specifically aimed at a segment of the population or person due to his inability to have a syllogistic discussion. This is frequently reported on by the media which may or may not have a positive view of Mr Trump. I hope that's PC enough, I understand how hard it must be for a supporter of the best candidate to hear negative things about them.

Basically I'd love a Trump supporter to take his ideas and logically lay them out and show why they work and maybe be willing to answer questions people have about them, but all I have ever seen is a Trump supporter call a person a name and say because that person is stupid, his ideas are stupid and Trump is just getting the raw deal from all the losers and haters. Maybe I'm wrong and these are the greatest ideas ever said, but somehow I doubt it.



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The only positive thing I can say about Trump is you see what you get with him. People consider him racist because he says racist things. Look the media doesn't have to make up anything about Trump, he does a great job of letting everyone know how he feels all the time.

Personally I will never vote for Trump due to his lack of understanding on how basic things work like debt and the economy on a macro level. His stated policies sound pretty short sighted if not completely stupid. I'm not saying I agree with Hilary either, but she's not saying we can default on our debt and print money to magically fix the national debt.

Building a wall to keep out illegal immigration is not cost effective, neither is deporting millions of people all of this will cost a lot of money that has to come from somewhere. His tax policy is he will maybe lower it but maybe not depending on congress. His military policy is america is going to have the greatest military, even though we already have the largest most expansive military on earth.

He wants every to believe that america is in the toilet and only he can make it great again. I'd argue that things are pretty darn good other than health care and income gaps, there is always room for improvement but we got it better than most countries. His solution for this is he will fix healthcare and make it the best, and job growth under him will be enormous.

Notice there is not a a lot of details on these statements, cause he offers none. He just uses buzz words. He debates people by calling people names, Jeb bush is low energy, Crooked Hillary, Crazy Sanders, Lying Ted, Megan Kelly the Bimbo, I could go on and on. No substance in any policy, doesn't like media asking about statements he made. Denies knowing people he talked about like David Duke.

Look, I say vote for the turd you like the best because most politicians are turds, just make sure you know what they are about completely. If you like them, take the good with the bad because when you vote for someone you get the whole package.


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This is why Trump needs to be president. All this crap about him being a racist is a complete lie fabricated by the media. He is pro legal immigration, only against illegal immigration. Wake up people!




I read your entire post but I find it really hard to take you seriously after saying that Trump "says racist things". Due to the trade deficit between Mexico and the USA, Mexico will pay for the wall. It will be more benificial to deport the immigrants to came to the country ILLEGALY than to let this issue still go on. I find it frightening how there is such a tolerance for illegal immigrants, they shouldn't even exist in the first Place. They are freeloaders taking advantage of the fact that they are off the grid and don't pay taxes. As for the muslim immigration, I am all for having a TEMPORARY ban until everyone can figure out what the hell is going on, and how to tell between the bad and good. It's just simple logic and common sense. It's funny because most people who hate Trump don't even give a shit about the important issues, they are just a bunch of Leftist SJW's who don't contribute to anything. Spewing nonsense about racism and triggers. They just want to hop aboard the Anti Trump Train because they are scared of how others will view them, attempting to feel accepted by all of the other morons.


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I'll agree to change Trump says racist things and instead say Trump employs ad hominem attacks sometimes specifically aimed at a segment of the population or person due to his inability to have a syllogistic discussion. This is frequently reported on by the media which may or may not have a positive view of Mr Trump. I hope that's PC enough, I understand how hard it must be for a supporter of the best candidate to hear negative things about them.

Basically I'd love a Trump supporter to take his ideas and logically lay them out and show why they work and maybe be willing to answer questions people have about them, but all I have ever seen is a Trump supporter call a person a name and say because that person is stupid, his ideas are stupid and Trump is just getting the raw deal from all the losers and haters. Maybe I'm wrong and these are the greatest ideas ever said, but somehow I doubt it.



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The only positive thing I can say about Trump is you see what you get with him. People consider him racist because he says racist things. Look the media doesn't have to make up anything about Trump, he does a great job of letting everyone know how he feels all the time.

Personally I will never vote for Trump due to his lack of understanding on how basic things work like debt and the economy on a macro level. His stated policies sound pretty short sighted if not completely stupid. I'm not saying I agree with Hilary either, but she's not saying we can default on our debt and print money to magically fix the national debt.

Building a wall to keep out illegal immigration is not cost effective, neither is deporting millions of people all of this will cost a lot of money that has to come from somewhere. His tax policy is he will maybe lower it but maybe not depending on congress. His military policy is america is going to have the greatest military, even though we already have the largest most expansive military on earth.

He wants every to believe that america is in the toilet and only he can make it great again. I'd argue that things are pretty darn good other than health care and income gaps, there is always room for improvement but we got it better than most countries. His solution for this is he will fix healthcare and make it the best, and job growth under him will be enormous.

Notice there is not a a lot of details on these statements, cause he offers none. He just uses buzz words. He debates people by calling people names, Jeb bush is low energy, Crooked Hillary, Crazy Sanders, Lying Ted, Megan Kelly the Bimbo, I could go on and on. No substance in any policy, doesn't like media asking about statements he made. Denies knowing people he talked about like David Duke.

Look, I say vote for the turd you like the best because most politicians are turds, just make sure you know what they are about completely. If you like them, take the good with the bad because when you vote for someone you get the whole package.


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This is why Trump needs to be president. All this crap about him being a racist is a complete lie fabricated by the media. He is pro legal immigration, only against illegal immigration. Wake up people!




I read your entire post but I find it really hard to take you seriously after saying that Trump "says racist things". Due to the trade deficit between Mexico and the USA, Mexico will pay for the wall. It will be more benificial to deport the immigrants to came to the country ILLEGALY than to let this issue still go on. I find it frightening how there is such a tolerance for illegal immigrants, they shouldn't even exist in the first Place. They are freeloaders taking advantage of the fact that they are off the grid and don't pay taxes. As for the muslim immigration, I am all for having a TEMPORARY ban until everyone can figure out what the hell is going on, and how to tell between the bad and good. It's just simple logic and common sense. It's funny because most people who hate Trump don't even give a shit about the important issues, they are just a bunch of Leftist SJW's who don't contribute to anything. Spewing nonsense about racism and triggers. They just want to hop aboard the Anti Trump Train because they are scared of how others will view them, attempting to feel accepted by all of the other morons.




I mean, all the points I stated from my last post should make sense to you. It should make you wonder "hmm, maybe Trump really isn't racist and actually does want change." The only negativity that I have provided was in response to others on this site attacking me. I am simply responding to the hostility being directed towards me.
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MattMiller wrote:

I'll agree to change Trump says racist things and instead say Trump employs ad hominem attacks sometimes specifically aimed at a segment of the population or person due to his inability to have a syllogistic discussion. This is frequently reported on by the media which may or may not have a positive view of Mr Trump. I hope that's PC enough, I understand how hard it must be for a supporter of the best candidate to hear negative things about them.

Basically I'd love a Trump supporter to take his ideas and logically lay them out and show why they work and maybe be willing to answer questions people have about them, but all I have ever seen is a Trump supporter call a person a name and say because that person is stupid, his ideas are stupid and Trump is just getting the raw deal from all the losers and haters. Maybe I'm wrong and these are the greatest ideas ever said, but somehow I doubt it.



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MattMiller wrote:

The only positive thing I can say about Trump is you see what you get with him. People consider him racist because he says racist things. Look the media doesn't have to make up anything about Trump, he does a great job of letting everyone know how he feels all the time.

Personally I will never vote for Trump due to his lack of understanding on how basic things work like debt and the economy on a macro level. His stated policies sound pretty short sighted if not completely stupid. I'm not saying I agree with Hilary either, but she's not saying we can default on our debt and print money to magically fix the national debt.

Building a wall to keep out illegal immigration is not cost effective, neither is deporting millions of people all of this will cost a lot of money that has to come from somewhere. His tax policy is he will maybe lower it but maybe not depending on congress. His military policy is america is going to have the greatest military, even though we already have the largest most expansive military on earth.

He wants every to believe that america is in the toilet and only he can make it great again. I'd argue that things are pretty darn good other than health care and income gaps, there is always room for improvement but we got it better than most countries. His solution for this is he will fix healthcare and make it the best, and job growth under him will be enormous.

Notice there is not a a lot of details on these statements, cause he offers none. He just uses buzz words. He debates people by calling people names, Jeb bush is low energy, Crooked Hillary, Crazy Sanders, Lying Ted, Megan Kelly the Bimbo, I could go on and on. No substance in any policy, doesn't like media asking about statements he made. Denies knowing people he talked about like David Duke.

Look, I say vote for the turd you like the best because most politicians are turds, just make sure you know what they are about completely. If you like them, take the good with the bad because when you vote for someone you get the whole package.


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This is why Trump needs to be president. All this crap about him being a racist is a complete lie fabricated by the media. He is pro legal immigration, only against illegal immigration. Wake up people!




I read your entire post but I find it really hard to take you seriously after saying that Trump "says racist things". Due to the trade deficit between Mexico and the USA, Mexico will pay for the wall. It will be more benificial to deport the immigrants to came to the country ILLEGALY than to let this issue still go on. I find it frightening how there is such a tolerance for illegal immigrants, they shouldn't even exist in the first Place. They are freeloaders taking advantage of the fact that they are off the grid and don't pay taxes. As for the muslim immigration, I am all for having a TEMPORARY ban until everyone can figure out what the hell is going on, and how to tell between the bad and good. It's just simple logic and common sense. It's funny because most people who hate Trump don't even give a shit about the important issues, they are just a bunch of Leftist SJW's who don't contribute to anything. Spewing nonsense about racism and triggers. They just want to hop aboard the Anti Trump Train because they are scared of how others will view them, attempting to feel accepted by all of the other morons.




I mean, all the points I stated from my last post should make sense to you. It should make you wonder "hmm, maybe Trump really isn't racist and actually does want change." The only negativity that I have provided was in response to others on this site attacking me. I am simply responding to the hostility being directed towards me.


Your open hostility is why people are returning it in kind. You stated you stopped reading my post due to me saying Trump is racist, so I PC'd up my post to be less offensive to you.

But lets attempt a logical discussion based on your points.

1. Mexico is not going to build us a wall, world economics do not work that way. I'm guessing if we started a trade war with them they could find other buyers of their goods. More over I don't see US businesses going along with this, they just make too much profit from making their goods in mexico.

So considering they are free to sell to others and still have a low cost of production how would we deal with this that would be a net positive to the US in a way that still gets this very expensive wall built by them?

2.Its costs money to locate, house, and try illegal immigrants before deportation. Given that we are talking more than 11 million of them and the estimate of those costs are 10k per person where are we going to come up with the 110 billion dollars to deport them?

Followup question would it be cheaper to turn those 11 million people into tax payers? The article in this topic says it costs us 6378 dollars which even if not inflated is half as much as a deportation.

3.Why is banning any religion's immigration a way to fight terrorism? Logically would a perspective terrorist just call themselves something else?

4.If I do not like Trump do I have to be a Social Justice Warrior? I do not really see myself as such, I just disagree with most of MR Trump's idea of what is best for moving the country forward. I think that is good enough reason to not vote for him. Like I said vote for who you like, I ain't going to stop you just don't be a sheep and not research everything about your man.
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Here's a "personal anecdote".

Years ago, I took my mother to the Social Security office to apply for her benefits after she turned 70. Even as cynical as I am, I did not expect what I would encounter there.

"Social Security", right? You'd think you'd find a lobby full of gray hairs complaining about their ailments and banging on the counter with their canes for service. Wrong. Out of more than a hundred people waiting, exactly three others were anywhere remotely "of age". There where also a handful of shifty-looking "I'm disabled, gimme the cash" types. But the vast preponderance?

Young Hispanic women, usually with multiple children in tow. Not a single wheelchair, but plenty of baby strollers. Spanish was the lingua franca of both employees and their "customers". Which were arriving continuously in minivans and SUVs throughout the time we spent there.

For a country that's over $19 trillion in debt, we're amazingly proliferate to others with money we don't actually have.

Vote for the adopted New Yorker Democrat always one step from an indictment or her sponsor and party host, the lifelong New York Democrat charlatan buffoon always one step from bankruptcy court? Thanks, I'll pass on those options.
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