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-Students are being warned before lectures on cases involving violence
-They are told they can leave if they fear content will be too ‘distressing’
-The revelation marks the arrival from America of ‘trigger warnings’
-Lecturers at Oxford have been asked to ‘bear in mind’ using these



They are destined to be barristers and judges – but undergraduates studying law at Oxford are being told before lectures on cases involving violence or death that they can leave if they fear the content will be too ‘distressing’.

The revelation marks the arrival from the US of ‘trigger warnings’ – the politically correct notion that students should be warned before they encounter material that could elicit a traumatic response.

Lecturers have been asked by the director of undergraduate studies for law to ‘bear in mind’ using trigger warnings when they give lectures containing ‘potentially distressing’ content.

One law student explained: ‘Before the lectures on sexual offences – which included issues such as rape and sexual assault – we were warned that the content could be distressing, and were then given the opportunity to leave if we needed to.’

But some staff are unhappy with treating students as such fragile creatures.

Law lecturer Professor Laura Hoyano last week ridiculed the concept when she jokingly warned any students from ‘a farming family’ that she was about to discuss a case involving foot and mouth disease.

Last night, Prof Hoyano said: ‘We can’t remove sexual offences from the criminal law syllabus – obviously. If you’re going to study law, you have to deal with things that are difficult.’

An Oxford spokesman said: ‘The university aims to encourage independent and critical thinking and does not, as a rule, seek to protect students from ideas or material they may find uncomfortable. However, there may be occasions when a lecturer feels it is appropriate to advise students of potentially distressing subject matter.’

And the warnings extend beyond Oxford’s law department. One undergraduate studying English was given a warning about Robert Lowell’s poem For The Union Dead, because it contains a racial epithet.

She said: ‘We were warned that the poem contained a racial slur and that we could leave the room before it was read out or cover it up on the page.’

Sociologist Professor Frank Furedi, said: ‘Trigger warnings diminish the quality of intellectual freedom on campuses – as we’ve seen in America.

‘It’s really regrettable that Oxford, which used to be a bastion of academic excellence, is allowing these pressures to create conformism.’
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Judges, lawyers, and future "leaders" that need trigger warnings or have to leave the room if a difficult situation ever comes up. Were fucked.... royally fucked.

Imagine a judge having to leave the courtroom because a violent rape/murder case comes up and they can't handle it.
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I'm more worried about that woman's joke not being funny.
I imagine she came up with both parts of the joke and it isn't an actual case but If that's true than I don't see why she would come up with something so obscure as foot and mouth disease which is an actual infectious disease that bovid animals contract. It had the elements of a good joke but it totally misses. I know that not every joke I make is a knee slapper but Laura needs to step up her game.
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ZavinRoyalheart wrote:

I'm more worried about that woman's joke not being funny.
I imagine she came up with both parts of the joke and it isn't an actual case but If that's true than I don't see why she would come up with something so obscure as foot and mouth disease which is an actual infectious disease that bovid animals contract. It had the elements of a good joke but it totally misses. I know that not every joke I make is a knee slapper but Laura needs to step up her game.


I think the joke is that she is warning them about something common that they have all dealt with.

I suppose it would be similar to giving athletes a trigger warning that they are going to talk about athletes foot.
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Sometimes I wonder if this is all a nightmare. This is so sad. When will they grow up?
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Sometimes I wonder if this is all a nightmare. This is so sad. When will they grow up?


When a bomb explodes around them and realise that being a pussy will only make the situation worst.
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macht_gut wrote:

Sometimes I wonder if this is all a nightmare. This is so sad. When will they grow up?


When a bomb explodes around them and realise that being a pussy will only make the situation worst.


"OMFG I AM SO TRIGGERED AND EMOTIONALLY DISTRESSED! I AM NOW MENTALLY DISABLED FOR LIFE AND NEED WELFARE!!!!!"


Meanwhile everyone actually injured wants to beat the shit out of that faggot.
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macht_gut wrote:

Sometimes I wonder if this is all a nightmare. This is so sad. When will they grow up?


When a bomb explodes around them and realise that being a pussy will only make the situation worst.


One can only dream.
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ZavinRoyalheart wrote:

I'm more worried about that woman's joke not being funny.
I imagine she came up with both parts of the joke and it isn't an actual case but If that's true than I don't see why she would come up with something so obscure as foot and mouth disease which is an actual infectious disease that bovid animals contract. It had the elements of a good joke but it totally misses. I know that not every joke I make is a knee slapper but Laura needs to step up her game.


I think the joke is that she is warning them about something common that they have all dealt with.

I suppose it would be similar to giving athletes a trigger warning that they are going to talk about athletes foot.


Yeah but a joke should be clearer than that and should cover a wider audience. I don't think too many farmers are going into law and people who aren't farmers most likely won't get the joke. I had to look up foot and mouth disease. She gave me homework instead of a laugh. That's just like a professor. A joke is like a frog. You can dissect them and find out how they work but they both die in the process.

Probably not the first response you were expecting but to be fair it's late at night and I'm probably not thinking straight.
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Isn't that another rich kid school? Makes sense that they'd be trying to appeal to the entitled brats who think trigger warnings are validated, then, if they're paying them enough to attend their school, even if it's clearly not to properly learn, considering they spend more time cawing about how it's not a 'safe space', and proceeding to form their 'own'....

god, if these are now what are considered to be college students, then i'm like, thirty from a maturity standpoint? Or, they just have the maturity of five year old who can't handle the slightest utterance of the word 'stupid' without crying.
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ZavinRoyalheart wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


ZavinRoyalheart wrote:

I'm more worried about that woman's joke not being funny.
I imagine she came up with both parts of the joke and it isn't an actual case but If that's true than I don't see why she would come up with something so obscure as foot and mouth disease which is an actual infectious disease that bovid animals contract. It had the elements of a good joke but it totally misses. I know that not every joke I make is a knee slapper but Laura needs to step up her game.


I think the joke is that she is warning them about something common that they have all dealt with.

I suppose it would be similar to giving athletes a trigger warning that they are going to talk about athletes foot.


Yeah but a joke should be clearer than that and should cover a wider audience. I don't think too many farmers are going into law and people who aren't farmers most likely won't get the joke. I had to look up foot and mouth disease. She gave me homework instead of a laugh. That's just like a professor. A joke is like a frog. You can dissect them and find out how they work but they both die in the process.

Probably not the first response you were expecting but to be fair it's late at night and I'm probably not thinking straight.


Did you grow up in a highly urban area? I'm in an area with tons of farms surrounding my city and there and everyone knows what hoof-mouth disease is. I'm a technie/programmer, not a farmer, and I know it all too well from farmer friends.
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And people wonder why I loathe SJWs.
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SJW's victim culture is literally affecting the minds of people who are supposed to be our future leaders. Were fucked
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On one hand, I'm okay with warning people about difficult subject matter. Heck, long before "trigger warnings" became a thing fanfic writers such as myself have been putting warnings on our stories for stuff like rape, yaoi/yuri, sexual situations, character death, and so forth. After all, people can't complain about the subject matter if they were warned about it ahead of time (and if they still do, then they look like idiots). And really, what is worse: warning people that there may be difficult subject matter or outright banning said subject matter? I say banning is worse, and if trigger warnings prevent banning of subject matter, then so be it.

On the other hand, these people are wanting to become lawyers and judges. In my opinion, if you can't handle stuff like rape, violence, and murder then you shouldn't go into law (since lawyers, judges, and so forth have to deal with that stuff on a fairly regular basis).
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Two minor points:

One: Trigger warnings can sometimes be a temporary thing. If your dog just died, you would probably like not to watch the episode of Futurama with Fry's dog, even though it normally wouldn't bother you. I make crass jokes all the time but wouldn't if I knew someone in the room had just undergone some trauma related to the joke. It is polite to mention difficult subject material ahead of time and costs nothing.

Two: Not all lawyers work with murder. There's no reason an environmental or corporate lawyer would normally deal with a rape case. Second, what if a student attending law school ended up getting raped, two days before the sex crimes lecture? It's reasonable to assume they would not want to talk about it right then, but might be ready at a later date.

Of course, anyone with a laundry list of required trigger warnings that never go away is probably not emotionally ready for college. Don't assume that this change was made with the nutjobs in mind.
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And people wonder why I loathe SJWs.


I'm not surprised you think that they're wrong, because on many counts they are, but I think that it's pretty silly and counterproductive that you loathe them.

It seems like this really upsets you, but to be fair, the topic was in the subject field, so maybe you shouldn't have read it if you were going to get so ... triggered?
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