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Posted 5/14/16 , edited 5/20/16

Damien27 wrote:

Whatever gets us closer to that shower scene in Star Ship Troopers I'm fine with.


Well if we set the kids going into schools with unisex bathrooms, then by the time they're old enough to start figuring out sex then it will be ingrained into their minds as normal. Fast forward 50 years or so and unisex bathrooms will be common.
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dougeprofile wrote:

I mostly agree, it shouldn't be an issue. But Obama just decreed all public schools must comply or he will take away poor children's food - government funding comes with even more strings. The justice department is suing NC and pedophiles/rapists are using these laws as a means to fulfill their desires. Raped women are kicked out for complaining. Yea, I'm sick of a conversation, but despite my desires it is being made an issue contrary to sll reason.

Being quiet will only enable the wrong side to win the issue.


I know many rapists that would hate to enter the wrong bathroom. Little boys do get tiring for pedophiles as well. Protect the wymynz.



Do you guys even think at all? It's totally the bathroom policies that make rapists rape and pedophiles touch little children. Definitely not people.

Does that logic only work for guns?

I should turn my sarcasm meter down. Still. C'mon now.

I'm willing to debate on this one, but someone give me a good argument against it to start out.


I think he means enabling, much like how some people believe gun laws should be restricted with background checks so felons shouldn't be enabled. In essence, it means not doing something so advantageous and unnecessary.


Although if a man looking "woman" has to enter a restroom because of a law, I don't see how that is any less enabling.
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With all of that in mind, transgender access to facilities is beside the point concerning perverts' ability to film, assault, or harass people anyway. In addition to bathroom signs not serving as magical barriers to prevent people from entering there is also to consider that perverts can strike anywhere and will strike whether or not transgender people are granted facility access to begin with. I mean, Jeffery Polizzi confronted a woman in a Florida Target bikini section and started talking to her about her genitals and the clothing she was buying while filming her prior to being chased off by his victim. What's more, Polizzi had already harassed the same woman 2 years prior in a grocery store. That wasn't in the bathroom, either. Now, Polizzi did have a court record of taking photos in dressing rooms, but that was from 2009 and these incidents were in Florida, so he wasn't exploiting transgender facility access then, either. It makes no fucking difference whether you let transgender people access these facilities. The perverts are going to stroll in if they want to, and their actions will still be illegal either way.

Finally, there is to consider that even if opponents were to get their way and force transgender people into restrooms comporting with their birth certificates (which in some jurisdictions cannot be changed even despite initiation of hormone replacement therapy) this may lead to uncomfortable situations for cisgendered men and women in bathrooms anyway.

So spare me, Doug. Spare me.


Since I will NOT be voting for Trump, quoting him is meaningless and Media Fraudsters is a left-wing hack group with zero credibility. Birth certificates should not be changed as the scientific evidence clearly shows the male/female sex is fixed at birth; gender is a grammatical word.

There are more rapists and pedophiles than the sexually confused, and they will take advantage of these new laws; danger or not most women, certainly most parents, certainly most rape victims do not want men - sexually confused or not - to be in a female RR/locker room - their feelings are far more important than the less than 1% sexually confused .

Spare you Bluoni, spare you? I refuse.
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This transgendered bathroom topic is one of those topics that I feel that both sides have valid points. On one hand, transgendered people feel that they should be allowed to use the bathroom of the gender they identify as. On the other hand, normal people may feel uncomfortable having someone born of the opposite gender using the same bathroom as them (especially if it's one of those transsexuals that didn't make the transition well (aka you can easily tell that they were born of the opposite gender)). On yet another hand, if you force everyone to go to the bathroom of their birth gender then it can still lead to awkwardness since there are transsexuals who have made the transition smoothly (aka those who are very difficult to tell that they are transsexual).

Now, I know that many people are worried that perverted straight men might take advantage of transsexuals being allowed to go to use the opposite gender bathrooms, and pretend to be transsexual themselves so that they can perve on women. I myself have had this concern as well. However, as someone else has pointed out perverts will be perverts no matter whether transsexuals are allowed into the opposite gender bathrooms or not.

To be honest, I have mixed feelings about whether transsexuals should be allowed to use the bathroom of the gender they identify with or the bathroom of the gender that their genitals indicate. Of course, if a MtF no longer has his/her weenie and family jewels, then I see no problem with allowing him/her into the women's restroom. However, if the MtF hasn't made the transition (aka still has male genitals), then I'm not so sure it's a good idea to allow them in the women's restroom. The problem is that it's impossible to know for sure whether they are post-op or pre-op without forcing them to show their genitals before allowing them to use the restroom. And this is just talking about the MtFs. If you add FtMs to the mix, it becomes even more complicated (mostly because FtMs tend to make the transition better). One should also take into consideration that there are women who look masculine and men who look feminine but are not transgendered. If people start policing bathrooms and start heckling people who they thing is using the wrong bathroom then not only are transgendered people going to be effected but so are non-transgendered people who simply don't quite fit sterotype look of their gender (such as a butchy masculine woman or a boy who is naturally girly-looking). Heck, I have an unusual amount of facial hair for a woman (I don't know why. It could be a hormone problem or it could be a genetic thing) and while I haven't been heckled yet, I figure it's only a matter of time.

I will say that I don't agree with the government forcing schools to allow transgendered students to use to opposite gender bathroom. I think this should be left up to the school's discretion. Personally, I'm all for uni-sex bathrooms as an alternative to allowing transsexuals using opposite gender bathrooms. I'm also okay with renaming women's restroom as "genetic female only restroom" and renaming men's restroom as "genetic male only restroom". Of course, there are flaws with these ideas. It will take time and money for businesses and schools to add a third bathroom. There is also the chance that the uni-sex bathrooms won't be as well maintained as the other restrooms. And I'm sure that traditionalists will scoff at the idea of using the genetic female and genetic male terms (these terms are used to distinguish the physical/genetic gender from the mental gender). Still, I think my ideas are more reasonable than some others.

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^ yours
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So why not make all bathrooms unisex? There wouldn't be an issue like the aforementioned man in women's bathroom. They would either need to be singular spaces or have cameras outside the stalls where the sinks are perhaps, but it would make this scenario moot.
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LadyPsychic wrote:

This transgendered bathroom topic is one of those topics that I feel that both sides have valid points. On one hand, transgendered people feel that they should be allowed to use the bathroom of the gender they identify as. On the other hand, normal people may feel uncomfortable having someone born of the opposite gender using the same bathroom as them (especially if it's one of those transsexuals that didn't make the transition well (aka you can easily tell that they were born of the opposite gender)). On yet another hand, if you force everyone to go to the bathroom of their birth gender then it can still lead to awkwardness since there are transsexuals who have made the transition smoothly (aka those who are very difficult to tell that they are transsexual).

Now, I know that many people are worried that perverted straight men might take advantage of transsexuals being allowed to go to use the opposite gender bathrooms, and pretend to be transsexual themselves so that they can perve on women. I myself have had this concern as well. However, as someone else has pointed out perverts will be perverts no matter whether transsexuals are allowed into the opposite gender bathrooms or not.

To be honest, I have mixed feelings about whether transsexuals should be allowed to use the bathroom of the gender they identify with or the bathroom of the gender that their genitals indicate. Of course, if a MtF no longer has his/her weenie and family jewels, then I see no problem with allowing him/her into the women's restroom. However, if the MtF hasn't made the transition (aka still has male genitals), then I'm not so sure it's a good idea to allow them in the women's restroom. The problem is that it's impossible to know for sure whether they are post-op or pre-op without forcing them to show their genitals before allowing them to use the restroom. And this is just talking about the MtFs. If you add FtMs to the mix, it becomes even more complicated (mostly because FtMs tend to make the transition better). One should also take into consideration that there are women who look masculine and men who look feminine but are not transgendered. If people start policing bathrooms and start heckling people who they thing is using the wrong bathroom then not only are transgendered people going to be effected but so are non-transgendered people who simply don't quite fit sterotype look of their gender (such as a butchy masculine woman or a boy who is naturally girly-looking). Heck, I have an unusual amount of facial hair for a woman (I don't know why. It could be a hormone problem or it could be a genetic thing) and while I haven't been heckled yet, I figure it's only a matter of time.

I will say that I don't agree with the government forcing schools to allow transgendered students to use to opposite gender bathroom. I think this should be left up to the school's discretion. Personally, I'm all for uni-sex bathrooms as an alternative to allowing transsexuals using opposite gender bathrooms. I'm also okay with renaming women's restroom as "genetic female only restroom" and renaming men's restroom as "genetic male only restroom". Of course, there are flaws with these ideas. It will take time and money for businesses and schools to add a third bathroom. There is also the chance that the uni-sex bathrooms won't be as well maintained as the other restrooms. And I'm sure that traditionalists will scoff at the idea of using the genetic female and genetic male terms (these terms are used to distinguish the physical/genetic gender from the mental gender). Still, I think my ideas are more reasonable than some others.


If there were genetic labels where to the XXY people go or the XY born females go?
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Why not just have unisex restrooms?


That would make alot of people uncomftorable I'm sure.
The clear mosaic shower doors in college were uncomftorable in those unisex bathrooms/showers.
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If you saw my reply to BlueOni above I said the configuaration or layout of the bathrooms could be changed in a way that it would be less disturbing, and more maintenence to keep them clean etc. Yea it would be difficult to adjust to at first but I'm sure at least in some places it would be possible to have unisex bathrooms with a good standard of cleanliness. Cameras around the sinks and who goes in and out of the stalls can be a good way to hold people accountable for trashing or vandalism.

Also be a deterrent against sexual assault
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Yume_Mirai wrote:


Kerst wrote:


sundin13 wrote:

Why not just have unisex restrooms?


That would make alot of people uncomftorable I'm sure.
The clear mosaic shower doors in college were uncomftorable in those unisex bathrooms/showers.


If you saw my reply to BlueOni above I said the configuaration or layout of the bathrooms could be changed in a way that it would be less disturbing, and more maintenence to keep them clean etc. Yea it would be difficult to adjust to at first but I'm sure at least in some places it would be possible to have unisex bathrooms with a good standard of cleanliness. Cameras around the sinks and who goes in and out of the stalls can be a good way to hold people accountable for trashing or vandalism.

Also be a deterrent against sexual assault


I don't think a Unisex bathroom would become a thing. Most women would be against it as well as some men.
However I don't see anything wrong with a transgender person going to a bathroom for what gender they've become.
The whole sexual assault thing is ridiculous I highly doubt a trans person is going to a restroom to do anything other than normal.
However simply dressing like a girl or boy or simply calling yourself a girl or boy you should still go the bathroom of your gender. I wear female jeans and shirts I have longer hair but I'm still a boy.
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sundin13 wrote:

Why not just have unisex restrooms?


It would be better just for a transgender bathroom for both boys and girls.

I don't support trangenderism at all tbh, I think it's stupid.

But I can't tell others what to do, and honestly it's the only solution to this problem, but the government doesn't want to spend money on new bathrooms imo.

They are just there to piss everyone off and divide them.
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If there was males inside they could atleast tackle some of the crazy girls going wild in there!
isn't that a great reason?


oh well, why did so many not have a problem with this before more or less now?...
Its silly..silly indeed.
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If you saw my reply to BlueOni above I said the configuaration or layout of the bathrooms could be changed in a way that it would be less disturbing, and more maintenence to keep them clean etc. Yea it would be difficult to adjust to at first but I'm sure at least in some places it would be possible to have unisex bathrooms with a good standard of cleanliness. Cameras around the sinks and who goes in and out of the stalls can be a good way to hold people accountable for trashing or vandalism.

Also be a deterrent against sexual assault


KerstI don't think a Unisex bathroom would become a thing. Most women would be against it as well as some men.
However I don't see anything wrong with a transgender person going to a bathroom for what gender they've become.
The whole sexual assault thing is ridiculous I highly doubt a trans person is going to a restroom to do anything other than normal.
However simply dressing like a girl or boy or simply calling yourself a girl or boy you should still go the bathroom of your gender. I wear female jeans and shirts I have longer hair but I'm still a boy.


I've found it curious that they would single out trans persons, its almost as if its what they were going for, rather than perverts. Because even bringing up genetics goes beyond the scope of criminal behavior, throwing MTF trans persons in with perverts. It's kind of paranoid of them to put everyone XY just 'to be sure'. I'm a natural born cis woman, and I wouldn't care if bathrooms were unisex. Maybe you're right, maybe we're not ready for that across the board. But maybe one day we will be ready for it.
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I think that people that aren't for trans people having the same opportunities for happiness as everyone else should stay out of it, but that's just me. I can hear someone go on and on about taxpayer dollars but everyone might be better off if they tended to their own affairs, so-to-speak, for and against. Let them be happy where they are in life and you look to yours. meh.shrug.
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Future refrence when you have such a long quote put it in a spoiler tag before a mod makes you.
Also I don't think unisex bathrooms will ever make everyone comftorable especially women. I didn't like the unisex bathroom in college but that's mainly because it was always crowded and loud.
But we had doors albeit stupid mosaic doors. I think it would work however if the bathroom was like the one I stayed in a hostel everything but the sink was in a squared of space enclosed by a door I think most people would be able to be comftorable in that but fat chance of that happening no one is going to make a law making everyone spend money to change it. If a bussiness now in some states can refrence survive to a gay person they won't cater to trasngendered either. If they did make unisex bathrooms men would get a coach!
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Tch, Fine, if it 'll please you..I've seen bigger quotes from others and no mod stopped them.
Because people are fucking stupid and regressive, it doesn't mean my idea is wrong if people are dumbasses.
Its just a fucking shame, really, that's all there is to it..
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Can't say as I'd care much even if they made bathrooms unisex entirely. Well, so long as they still have urinals. Sorry ladies, but like hell am I going to wait in a queue for a stall just to take a piss.

Most of the dorms in my college weren't coed, which naturally did nothing to prevent men and women from rooming together anyway. It wasn't uncommon to step out of the shower in the men's room and nearly bump into some random girl about to get into one, or have someone brush right past behind me while using a urinal. Shockingly, I lived. Even more shockingly, it never caused me to rape or assault someone.

At the end of the day, whether you're male, female, transgendered, or yeti, we've all got to poop, and no bathroom policy is going to change that. I'm not going to lose any sleep over this no matter what the policy becomes long-term.
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