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SHOCK POLL: Trump Leads Hillary Among Hispanic Voters
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39.8% of the total welfare are black. 38.8% are white.

Now when you figure that blacks are only 13% of the total population....


Right, a greater portion of the black population (~30-40%) is on welfare than whites (~12-15%). I'm not denying that. I simply took issue with the assertion that the "majority" of blacks were a "dependent welfare class."


Uh, you do understand what I posted right?
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You are right. I have heard this too. In person from someone. Trump is a manipulator and the media has been (as i'm sure he knew complicit because of selfishness / greed all they care about are rating's.
Even Rachael Maddow would not stop talking about him. Sadly, I lost my respect for her.
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VZ68 wrote:


geauxtigers1989 wrote:


VZ68 wrote:


39.8% of the total welfare are black. 38.8% are white.

Now when you figure that blacks are only 13% of the total population....


Right, a greater portion of the black population (~30-40%) is on welfare than whites (~12-15%). I'm not denying that. I simply took issue with the assertion that the "majority" of blacks were a "dependent welfare class."


Uh, you do understand what I posted right?


Yes.
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I heard that the reason Hispanics like Trump is that illegal immigrants from Mexico make them look bad. If "the wall" is built, people are less likely to think they are illegal immigrants.


this, this actually makes sense, I hadn't thought of that
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I heard that Trump is not even Politician ! Just Business man, No wonder our current President and many others Politicians think that Trump shouldn't be President..
He's not even a businessman anymore, he's just a slutty entertainer. He's even admitted to preferring to entertain people than being a real estate mogul or investor. Except he likes to entertain people by pissing them off and watching the reactions of his fans. He truly is just a troll like another person has mentioned. And he is trolling the entire United States.

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Among African-Americans, Hillary maintains a strong lead with almost 87 percent support.


Yeah, like, the fuck is wrong with African-Americans? I have no words...

This has to do with the historical precedents dating back to.....Lincoln's time? Historically, liberals favored policies that favored blacks, especially in areas of social security considering poverty is a huge issue for blacks, perceived discrimination, etc.


Contrary to popular/conservative belief, Lincoln era republicans weren't conservative and the democrat weren't liberal, as parties had reformations where they essentially switched sides, to what I can understand. In essence, Democrats back then fought for states right and things traditionally sought after by conservatives of today while republicans fought for big government.




Actually, contrary to popular mainstream media myths / liberal belief, the intellectual heritage of both parties are largely consistent. The myth that Democrats became Republicans, and Republicans became Democrats after the Civil Rights Act is just that. A myth. Furthermore, one of the greatest presidents of the 20th Century, the Republican Dwight Eisenhower, explicitly warned that government was getting too cozy with capital and was becoming an unwieldy behemoth (the famous "Military Industrial Complex" speech). Another of the great presidents, Calvin Coolidge, was also a Republican who fought against the tentacles of government overreach. And of course, there is Ronald Reagan.
However, do you see how your juxtaposition of words betrays your own rebuttal? As if you are simply quote pasting. The myth is not a myth when you recognize ideologies switched over time NOT the names of the parties or the people who associated with those names. And when since Lincoln has any president ever did anything profound or groundbreaking to how America is run, to be called great? The president is just a spokesperson behind a branch of the government. Presidents were never given, or intended to have this great Superman role. Get your face out of Fox News for once.

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maxgale wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


nichtmalda wrote:


WeeabooWarrior wrote:
Among African-Americans, Hillary maintains a strong lead with almost 87 percent support.


Yeah, like, the fuck is wrong with African-Americans? I have no words...

This has to do with the historical precedents dating back to.....Lincoln's time? Historically, liberals favored policies that favored blacks, especially in areas of social security considering poverty is a huge issue for blacks, perceived discrimination, etc.


Contrary to popular/conservative belief, Lincoln era republicans weren't conservative and the democrat weren't liberal, as parties had reformations where they essentially switched sides, to what I can understand. In essence, Democrats back then fought for states right and things traditionally sought after by conservatives of today while republicans fought for big government.




Actually, contrary to popular mainstream media myths / liberal belief, the intellectual heritage of both parties are largely consistent. The myth that Democrats became Republicans, and Republicans became Democrats after the Civil Rights Act is just that. A myth. Furthermore, one of the greatest presidents of the 20th Century, the Republican Dwight Eisenhower, explicitly warned that government was getting too cozy with capital and was becoming an unwieldy behemoth (the famous "Military Industrial Complex" speech). Another of the great presidents, Calvin Coolidge, was also a Republican who fought against the tentacles of government overreach. And of course, there is Ronald Reagan.


I don't think its a myth...I was mainly referring to Lincoln's political realignment as well.
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Here is a picture of Hillary taken in 2004, she's being kissed by democratic senator and klan member Robert Byrd.

As an aside, Eisenhower's first act as president was to locate, process, and deport Mexicans who had illegally entered the U S.
It was a joint operation with the Mexican government, as they were sick and tired of losing their laborers to the US.
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Here is a picture of Hillary taken in 2004, she's being kissed by democratic senator and klan member Robert Byrd.

As an aside, Eisenhower's first act as president was to locate, process, and deport Mexicans who had illegally entered the U S.
It was a joint operation with the Mexican government, as they were sick and tired of losing their laborers to the US.


Because he totally didn't apologize.

http://www.snopes.com/clinton-byrd-photo-klan/
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Trump has one primary advantage as a politician: He has no ideals.

Most politicians hold ideals in one sense or another and conform to them, be it their own or of their party. Trump eschews this and cannot even be called a Republican in anything but name. This gives him both flexibility to do what he feels is right and unpredictability in the form of others trying to understand him.

As of now he is taking the no-shame populist route while using very simple language that appeals to basic instincts. This will alienate more intelligent voters who listen to him and notice when he speaks he doesn't actually say anything, and attract more average voters who are swayed by the cult of personality instead of ideas.

While Hillary is by far not a Liberal, she is predictable, almost painfully so. Anyone with enough knowledge of her history and background can predict with high certainty what she will do in most situations in office. Trump pretty much the opposite.

I do not think Trump or Hillary are as bad as each side is making them out to be. Are they ideal choices to lead America? Absolutely not. Will they lead America down a path of ruin and destruction? Probably not. Will either one of them as President substantially change the course of history in any way good or bad? Probably not.

Emotions are easy to flare, but if the past is prologue, both of them would make decent presidents and the actual differences in how our country changes will be minor.
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JustineKo2 wrote:


maxgale wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


nichtmalda wrote:


WeeabooWarrior wrote:
Among African-Americans, Hillary maintains a strong lead with almost 87 percent support.


Yeah, like, the fuck is wrong with African-Americans? I have no words...

This has to do with the historical precedents dating back to.....Lincoln's time? Historically, liberals favored policies that favored blacks, especially in areas of social security considering poverty is a huge issue for blacks, perceived discrimination, etc.


Contrary to popular/conservative belief, Lincoln era republicans weren't conservative and the democrat weren't liberal, as parties had reformations where they essentially switched sides, to what I can understand. In essence, Democrats back then fought for states right and things traditionally sought after by conservatives of today while republicans fought for big government.




Actually, contrary to popular mainstream media myths / liberal belief, the intellectual heritage of both parties are largely consistent. The myth that Democrats became Republicans, and Republicans became Democrats after the Civil Rights Act is just that. A myth. Furthermore, one of the greatest presidents of the 20th Century, the Republican Dwight Eisenhower, explicitly warned that government was getting too cozy with capital and was becoming an unwieldy behemoth (the famous "Military Industrial Complex" speech). Another of the great presidents, Calvin Coolidge, was also a Republican who fought against the tentacles of government overreach. And of course, there is Ronald Reagan.


However, do you see how your juxtaposition of words betrays your own rebuttal? As if you are simply quote pasting. The myth is not a myth when you recognize ideologies switched over time NOT the names of the parties or the people who associated with those names. And when since Lincoln has any president ever did anything profound or groundbreaking to how America is run, to be called great? The president is just a spokesperson behind a branch of the government. Presidents were never given, or intended to have this great Superman role. Get your face out of Fox News for once.




Uhhh............................what?


I just showed how the philosophies of the Republican party has been consistent since Lincoln's era.


If you want to try to dispute that, go ahead, but try to provide examples this time.

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shugotenshi-atm wrote:

Trump has one primary advantage as a politician: He has no ideals.

Most politicians hold ideals in one sense or another and conform to them, be it their own or of their party. Trump eschews this and cannot even be called a Republican in anything but name. This gives him both flexibility to do what he feels is right and unpredictability in the form of others trying to understand him.

As of now he is taking the no-shame populist route while using very simple language that appeals to basic instincts. This will alienate more intelligent voters who listen to him and notice when he speaks he doesn't actually say anything, and attract more average voters who are swayed by the cult of personality instead of ideas.

While Hillary is by far not a Liberal, she is predictable, almost painfully so. Anyone with enough knowledge of her history and background can predict with high certainty what she will do in most situations in office. Trump pretty much the opposite.

I do not think Trump or Hillary are as bad as each side is making them out to be. Are they ideal choices to lead America? Absolutely not. Will they lead America down a path of ruin and destruction? Probably not. Will either one of them as President substantially change the course of history in any way good or bad? Probably not.

Emotions are easy to flare, but if the past is prologue, both of them would make decent presidents and the actual differences in how our country changes will be minor.


Woah there buddy.
We aren't allowed to have intelligent posts here.
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maxgale wrote:


Uhhh............................what?


I just showed how the philosophies of the Republican party has been consistent since Lincoln's era.


If you want to try to dispute that, go ahead, but try to provide examples this time.

Honestly I didn't know you were trying to back up your claim about your first comment about the consistency of ideology and philosophy. I thought you were just switching to a different related thing and dribbling on about presidents. But let's look at your "examples." Those all have more to do with the role of states versus federal powers, which either can be invoked in terms of personal liberties. Depends on which liberties we are talking about. The Republican party during Lincoln's time and up to the Civil Rights act was consistent on the issue of civil rights. But a switch happened that was perhaps in the making before the Civil Rights Act, and it was prompted most profoundly by attitudes about race and equality between blacks and whites as influenced by Strom Thurmond, a former Democrat Senator. The whole meaning behind the Party of Lincoln, is a nod to progressivism, meaning welcoming change and prioritizing individual freedom as their platform. That is not at all congruent with the current Republican platform, as evidenced by regressive voter ID laws they so clearly embrace.

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The myth of "THE SWITCH" is alive and well.

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The whole meaning behind the Party of Lincoln, is a nod to progressivism, meaning welcoming change and prioritizing individual freedom as their platform. That is not at all congruent with the current Republican platform, as evidenced by regressive voter ID laws they so clearly embrace.


In actual truth, both parties have been hi-jacked by extremists.

The core beliefs of the Republican Party are centered on the idea that each person is responsible for their own place within society. They believe that the government’s role is to enable the people to secure the benefits of society for themselves, their families, and for those who are unable to do so for themselves. They also believe in limiting the Government’s intervention in the work of the individual towards prosperity. The government should only intervene when society cannot function at the level of the individual. This also means that the party believes in keeping the government as close to the individual as possible, and should be focused mainly on the state and community level, not centered at a federal level.

The Constitution is meant to protect us from an overbearing federal government, But recently the agenda of both parties has been to expand not only the size of the federal government but it's role in meddling with our everyday lives. They wish everyone to be government dependent rather than independent.

Ronald Reagan said "Government is not the solution, it's the problem"
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