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Post Reply Rome, Sweet Rome': Could a Single Marine Unit Destroy the Roman Empire?
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I was picturing it how Roman would react.. They'll probably slowly move closer and stab it few time with their spears and can hear weird noise.

Of course one fire can probably easily destroy lot of Roman since its unknown to them.


(Hmm..."Shooting obnoxious Romans".....(daydreams pleasantly)... )
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Marines win. The range advantage too overwhelming, like others have said they really wouldn't need to waste much fuel. Once the situation is assessed it doesn't take a tactical genius or the highest trained combat personnel to conserve ammunition and use deterrence to detract unwanted conflicts. Even if they're not the best trained sharp shooters or adept at CQC, to gun down men before there in archery range they might as well have all day. One tank round firing would have the Romans believing Mars or the other gods has come to punish them.
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Marines win. The range advantage too overwhelming, like others have said they really wouldn't need to waste much fuel. Once the situation is assessed it doesn't take a tactical genius or the highest trained combat personnel to conserve ammunition and use deterrence to detract unwanted conflicts. Even if they're not the best trained sharp shooters or adept at CQC, to gun down men before there in archery range they might as well have all day. One tank round firing would have the Romans believing Mars or the other gods has come to punish them.


Really mate you have no idea of the logistical train keeping a modern army fighting fit. Stuck in the past A Marine unit would have access only to the supplies on their person. Even for a battalion sized unit that is at best 60,000 to 80,000 assorted rounds, a few days of MREs, and only the fuel in the vehicles tanks.

This against an Empire that could if need be throw hundreds of thousands if not millions of trained and battle hardened soldiers against any threat.. Stop pretending the Marines in this scenario have anything but a going down in a blaze of glory to look forward to.
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Since its 2016, and that last website I added show dated 2011.. I'm beginning to think they never finished the movie "Rome Sweet Rome". Maybe it got cancelled! -shrugs-

Of course the movie may turn out to be terrible..


I got same feeling for World of Warcraft Movie.. Once it finally come out. I and many of the Wow fans probably be disappointed with the movie..
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JanusCascade wrote:
I was picturing it how Roman would react.. They'll probably slowly move closer and stab it few time with their spears and can hear weird noise.

Of course one fire can probably easily destroy lot of Roman since its unknown to them.


(Hmm..."Shooting obnoxious Romans".....(daydreams pleasantly)... )




Is this because I constantly keep talking about Romans?
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mxxlogk wrote:

Marines win. The range advantage too overwhelming, like others have said they really wouldn't need to waste much fuel. Once the situation is assessed it doesn't take a tactical genius or the highest trained combat personnel to conserve ammunition and use deterrence to detract unwanted conflicts. Even if they're not the best trained sharp shooters or adept at CQC, to gun down men before there in archery range they might as well have all day. One tank round firing would have the Romans believing Mars or the other gods has come to punish them.


Really mate you have no idea of the logistical train keeping a modern army fighting fit. Stuck in the past A Marine unit would have access only to the supplies on their person. Even for a battalion sized unit that is at best 60,000 to 80,000 assorted rounds, a few days of MREs, and only the fuel in the vehicles tanks.

This against an Empire that could if need be throw hundreds of thousands if not millions of trained and battle hardened soldiers. Stop pretending the Marines in this scenario have anything but a going down in a blaze of glory to look forward to.


I do actually I have several friends and colleagues who have been in the marines along with other branches of the military. I think your not being realistic in terms of modern to ancient. Doesn't matter how "battle hardened" the soldiers are when there equipment is swords, spears, shields and archers, They have to be point blank range to stab or slash any modern combat force or shoot arrows witch are easily defend able in modern military vehicles. Roman shields would not stop even small arms rifle rounds. Not to mention the roman army's peak was less than 500,000 in total forces across the European continent, not millions and not in one place for battle. As far fuel in the vehicles as someone previously stated in combat they wouldn't need to constantly cruise around but stage a perimeter on high ground, move if they were surrounded densely enough. I mean there is nothing for roman soldiers to prevent even just being run over by a tank. An example a M1 Abrams tank witch is far outdated it was designed in 1979 has a 500 gal fuel tank with a 265 mile range in conservation, considering the size of the standing army's they'd face at one time they could make plenty of use of 1 tank to remove a large portion of there entire trained and experienced legion. Also a large portion of roman military was enslaved armies, once the marines destroyed the primary legions, the observation of ancient people would see it as incredibly fast paced and relatively effortless there subjugated armies numbers would fallout completely.
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I do actually I have several friends and colleagues who have been in the marines along with other branches of the military. I think your not being realistic in terms of modern to ancient. Doesn't matter how "battle hardened" the soldiers are when there equipment is swords, spears, shields and archers, They have to be point blank range to stab or slash any modern combat force or shoot arrows witch are easily defend able in modern military vehicles. Roman shields would not stop even small arms rifle rounds. Not to mention the roman army's peak was less than 500,000 in total forces across the European continent, not millions and not in one place for battle. As far fuel in the vehicles as someone previously stated in combat they wouldn't need to constantly cruise around but stage a perimeter on high ground, move if they were surrounded densely enough. I mean there is nothing for roman soldiers to prevent even just being run over by a tank. An example a M1 Abrams tank witch is far outdated it was designed in 1979 has a 500 gal fuel tank with a 265 mile range in conservation, considering the size of the standing army's they'd face at one time they could make plenty of use of 1 tank to remove a large portion of there entire trained and experienced legion. Also a large portion of roman military was enslaved armies, once the marines destroyed the primary legions, the observation of ancient people would see it as incredibly fast paced and relatively effortless there subjugated armies numbers would fallout completely.


Mate go back to history class you obviously failed it if you think Rome at any time in it's existence ever employed slave soldiers. Rome is actually famous for the exact opposite. It was one of the few ancient powers to ever employ professional standing armies, soldiers whose only business was warfare and who were well rewarded for their services. And who operated under an operational discipline that'd make a Marine seem like a pussy.

The marine unit may win its first few battles but when the bullets run dry and the fuel is gone they are toast. They are nothing but poorly trained cqc experts in cloth uniforms armed with only combat knives and entrenching shovels Against soldiers trained in unit warfare armed with shields, armour, and swords, spears both melee and throwing.

You have never served so I'll forgive you lack of knowledge of exactly how fast an unit can chew through it's ammo and fuel in a pitched battle But stop pretending the result is anything but a single marine unit in a foreign land cut off and surround by a hostile force has anything but an early grave waiting for them.
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I do actually I have several friends and colleagues who have been in the marines along with other branches of the military. I think your not being realistic in terms of modern to ancient. Doesn't matter how "battle hardened" the soldiers are when there equipment is swords, spears, shields and archers, They have to be point blank range to stab or slash any modern combat force or shoot arrows witch are easily defend able in modern military vehicles. Roman shields would not stop even small arms rifle rounds. Not to mention the roman army's peak was less than 500,000 in total forces across the European continent, not millions and not in one place for battle. As far fuel in the vehicles as someone previously stated in combat they wouldn't need to constantly cruise around but stage a perimeter on high ground, move if they were surrounded densely enough. I mean there is nothing for roman soldiers to prevent even just being run over by a tank. An example a M1 Abrams tank witch is far outdated it was designed in 1979 has a 500 gal fuel tank with a 265 mile range in conservation, considering the size of the standing army's they'd face at one time they could make plenty of use of 1 tank to remove a large portion of there entire trained and experienced legion. Also a large portion of roman military was enslaved armies, once the marines destroyed the primary legions, the observation of ancient people would see it as incredibly fast paced and relatively effortless there subjugated armies numbers would fallout completely.


Mate go back to history class you obviously failed it if you think Rome at any time in it's existence ever employed slave soldiers. Rome is actually famous for the exact opposite. It was one of the few ancient powers to ever employ professional standing armies, soldiers whose only business was warfare and who were well rewarded for their services. And who operated under an operational discipline that'd make a Marine seem like a pussy.

The marine unit may win its first few battles but when the bullets run dry and the fuel is gone they are toast. They are nothing but poorly trained cqc experts in cloth uniforms armed with only combat knives and entrenching shovels Against soldiers trained in unit warfare armed with shields, armour, and swords, spears both melee and throwing.

You have never served so I'll forgive you lack of knowledge of exactly how fast an unit can chew through it's ammo and fuel in a pitched battle But stop pretending the result is anything but a single marine unit in a foreign land cut off and surround by a hostile force has anything but an early grave waiting for them.



I agree with you, because back in the old day their body was build differently, plus nowdays we're consider lazy.. Noticed how Solders in modern time go crazy or get mental illness during the war? Plus Roman back in old day were willing to die for their Emperor, Of course if one run away from the battle.. He'll get killed by the General and they'll probably kill his entire family! So its unlikely that they'll run away like modern Solders do nowdays since they'll only one to be punished not their families.
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what would be the best strategy for the poor souls going against the empire? so they can last as long as possible
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Yeah, Marines are pretty much screwed in this scenario. The only way, I can think of at least, to salvage the situation is to quickly take the capital before running out of supplies, convince everyone that they still have ample resources to control any resisters and rule through intimidation. They might convince the population that they're gods, but I wouldn't bet on it. The key is to make everyone think that their weapons won't become worthless, and bide their time building an army that could stand against any rebellions. They could, perhaps, get training and supplies from the conquered armies, but then again, that might ruin their credibility. After all, if they were all that, why would they need any other soldiers at all? It doesn't look good for the marines here, but I think they do have a slim chance.
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what would be the best strategy for the poor souls going against the empire? so they can last as long as possible


About the only hope for this marine unit is for them to attack the city of Rome directly , avoiding all conflict before they are in direct striking range of Rome itself. Then living off the fear of swiftly conquering the heartland of the empire itself for as long as possible. Though the moment they fail to live up their legend will be their downfall.
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As others have pointed out, the Marines would eventually lose once they have exhausted their munitions and fuel. Best case scenario for the Marines would be to frighten the Romans off the battlefield through the shock and awe of modern weaponry, but this tactic would quickly burn through what very precious resources the marines have, which can never be resupplied.

The Marines would find themselves in a similar position as that of King Pyrrhus of Epirus did when he faced off against the Romans. Despite his victory, Pyrrhus was doomed to lose the war as his losses were irreplaceable and he could not compete with the raw manpower and material that Rome was capable of fielding. No matter how terrible their losses, Rome would continue to raise armies after armies to battle the Marines.
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No, the empire must be weakened by poor government first.
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namealreadytaken wrote:

what would be the best strategy for the poor souls going against the empire? so they can last as long as possible


About the only hope for this marine unit is for them to attack the city of Rome directly , avoiding all conflict before they are in direct striking range of Rome itself. Then living off the fear of swiftly conquering the heartland of the empire itself for as long as possible. Though the moment they fail to live up their legend will be their downfall.


ah thanks, so ruling through fear is the only option...though i suspect it won't last very long. a clever roman strategist might see through the farce, and attack them when the opportunity comes. avoiding conflict until they reach Rome... i don't think the empire will let them in that easily, not that i would know.
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Even if the Marines had all the ammunition that they needed, I'd still bet on the Romans being the eventual winners. Even the Marines, with their training on staying alert through combat, will become fatigued. It may not be an issue of falling to an attack, but perhaps some poisoned fruit given to them by an unsuspecting young woman. Great military leaders have fallen to similar tactics in the past, and my guess would be, eventually, the Marines would too. Not that I'm saying that Marines are weak, but we're all mortal and we all make mistakes.
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