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Post Reply The common narrative of Reagan competency is incorrect and false
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Ah, Saint Reagan(tm). The GOP has been building up that myth for a number of years now.



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runec wrote:Ah, Saint Reagan(tm). The GOP has been building up that myth for a number of years now.

There you go again runec, looking through the wrong end of the telescope.
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Everyone always forgets about the time that Reagan financed both sides of a revolutionary war in central america effectively permanently ruining their political stability for basically literally no reason. Not to mention the fact that this funding went to the training of terrorists cells, some of which we have the pleasure of seeing rise up today.

They also forget the time that he sold out members of his own cabinet to federal investigators upon the resulting investigation concerning his abuse of power for warfare so that he wouldn't get impeached.

They also forget about the time when he financed a ton of money to create an extra-terrestrial American defense system that would shoot nuclear missiles out of the sky with magic space lasers because at the time he literally actually thought that's how lasers worked. Even though scientists at the time specifically told him that lasers couldn't work that. I just want to reiterate that this one is not a joke. He wanted to fight Russia with SPACE LASERS.

They also refuse to acknowledge that trickle down economics was a catastrophic failure that is responsible for majority of the issues facing the U.S. to date.

He made the rich richer though, so I guess he's an American fucking hero.
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That's interesting. I thought Reagan was a competent president in his own right tho. I'll read over it and maybe get back with you. ^_^
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There you go again runec, looking through the wrong end of the telescope.


So you're saying Republicans haven't spent years lionizing Reagan and paying lip service to his name whenever possible?

Have you not seen or heard a Republican politician speak in a decade? -.-

If you took a shot every time someone said his name during this year's debates alone you'd be in the hospital 15 minutes in.

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mickeydayum wrote: I just want to reiterate that this one is not a joke. He wanted to fight Russia with SPACE LASERS.

You neglect to mention that Obama continues to fund Star Wars. Though it has shifted in concept and focus through the many presidency's, and I just want to reiterate that this one is not a joke, it still exists.
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Selective revisionism review of a book, which is said to agree with the agenda-driven reviewer's viewpoint.

Ronald Reagan was one of the great presidents of American history. In the 20th century, only FDR can rival him. When he took office, interest rates and inflation were both in double digits. People questioned whether America was still a superpower. Communism and the strangulation of freedom it causes was on the upsurge. Morale in the US military was low, recruitment quotas were not being met. The intelligentsia were telling us that America’s best days were past, that we’d better lower our expectations.

When he left office, interest rates and inflation had been tamed. America was the world’s unquestioned sole-super-power; Communism was on the verge of being exiled to the scrap-heap of history; the US Military was the finest in the world with no shortage of eager, excellent and motivated recruits. And we all knew that America’s best days would be forever be yet to come. Lowered expectations for America was something to ridicule, not to consider.

His opponents couldn’t understand that Ronald Wilson Reagan was who he was; that Reagan the actor was Reagan being himself. Genuine is a word that has being used countless times to describe him. He was one of us, the good clean-cut kid who made good. Those who ridiculed him for trying to bring the values of a Frank Capra movie to Washington, D.C., never realized that it was never an act, that he didn’t take from Capra, although Capra could certainly have taken from him.

This was a man of immense compassion, a man who’d respond to letters from people during the recession by sending them money from his own pocket; a man who called up his old friend Rock Hudson, when it was revealed that Hudson was dying of AIDS; indeed, a man who had known for decades, as revealed by his daughter, Patti, that Hudson was gay. Those who considered him cold-hearted, forgot that he was a man who had grown up poor, a man who never forgot the duty of helping your neighbors in trouble, but who knew that the best help to give that friend was to help your friend get a job of his own, on his own.

He understood that you had to stand up to the bad guys, and to deal from a position of strength. Calling the Evil Empire, an “Evil Empire” and joking that he’d outlawed the Soviets and that bombing would start in 5 minutes, showed to the Soviets that they were dealing with someone who could not be pushed around. Instead of the Soviets intimidating the West, it was now time for the Soviets to be intimidated.

He won the cold war. He restored national pride. He rebuilt our military. He reminded us that Teddy Roosevelt was right to speak softly and carry a big stick.

Naturally, this review ignores all of this inconvenient truth. Reagan is hated by the Democrats, because of the success of his policies, and he's hated by the Republican establishment...for the success of his policies. Yet those of us who are old enough to remember how badly our nation had been damaged by Vietnam, Watergate and the amazing incompetence of Jimmy Carter, and who would witness the resurrection of our nation during Reagan's presidency, know who was responsible for America's victory during the Cold War: Ronald Wilson Reagan.

For this book to ignore the impact of Margaret Thatcher and John Paul II in that drive to defeat Communism, that alone raises, pun intended, red flags.

Of course, that's not what's taught in schools these days. But facts are stubborn things, no matter how hard people try to ignore them. And the facts and truth of Reagan's Restoration will not be forgotten, no matter how hard people try.
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DengekiFugu wrote:


Wilson’s account has many virtues, not least of which is that it quite successfully challenges some of Washington’s most treasured myths, like Robert Gates’ reputation and the neoconservative myth of Reagan the hardliner.




On August 5, 1981 Ronald Reagan fired 11,345 striking air traffic controllers who had ignored an order to return to work, and as if that wasn't enough, he also banned them from federal service for life.

That sounds pretty hardline to me. He was just as rabid in his dislike of communism, he played head games with their leadership. But the USSR was already doomed regardless of what Reagan did, he was merely expediting the process, as well as exploiting it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_Ronald_Reagan_administration#Confrontation


The illegal strike by air traffic controllers: One of the underrated moments in American history. This was a strike by very well-paid GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES (adjusting for inflation, most were making the equivalent of $150,000-$200,000 a year). Why the caps? Because it is illegal for a union of government employees to strike. Reagan warned them, but the greedy union boss wanted more power, and believed Reagan would be forced to give the union everything they wanted.

And an amazing thing happened: Reagan didn't back down. He then did exactly what he said he would do: He fired all the strikers. The Soviets paid attention. They realized that they wouldn't be able to push Reagan around the way they'd managed to manipulate many US Presidents for decades.

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