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I don't think Obama should apologize, specifically because he had nothing to do with the dropping of the bombs. He wasn't president then, nor was he even alive then. Truman chose to drop it, and he is no longer alive, and hasn't been for a long time. Many of the people in charge of making the bomb are not alive. If the US wanted to apologize, they should have done it long ago.

It is not like it was an easy choice either. Truman saw it as, either risk prolonging the war by not dropping it, therefor killing more US soldiers (notice I said US soldiers), or drop it, kill thousands of japanese, and have an almost guarantee that it will end the war. Which by the way, the japanese STILL were planning on fighting even after the first bomb dropped. All about that honor :/

There is no reason Obama should apologize. Nagasaki and Hiroshima were absolute tragedies, but I kinda think its time to move on. Both sides did terrible things, its all over the history books. WW2 is something that will never, and should never be forgotten. But to beg for an apology from people who have nothing to do with it is just plain dumb.


I agree with the entirety of this comment.
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The only thing America would have to apologise for are the innocent lives taken from the bomb people that had nothing to do with the war and just wanted out of it.

Still even then it was a tragedy and unavoidable no one should apologise just move on
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Wait a min, why should we (America) should apologize when they sent us no warning on bombing us in Pearl Harbor! They the one should be apologizing to us. Remembered our previous Presidents said those who threaten our country and dropping bomb on us.. We will retallart on them 1,000 times worse than they did to us!

What I mean by letting other country know that they'll attack them, unless they surrendered to them.. Like giving up the land etc.

That remind me, did anyone found out why Japan attack us in the first place? Did they wanted to take over America?

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Wait a min, why should we (America) should apologize when they sent us no warning on bombing us in Pearl Harbor! They the one should be apologizing to us. Remembered our previous Presidents said those who threaten our country and dropping bomb on us.. We will retallart on them 1,000 times worse than they did to us!

What I mean by letting other country know that they'll attack them, unless they surrendered to them.. Like giving up the land etc.

That remind me, did anyone found out why Japan attack us in the first place? Did they wanted to take over America?



We provoked them into attacking by choking off their resources and positioning ourselves as their opponent. Everyone in positions of power in America knew the war would come, they just did not know when. Had we not positioned ourselves to oppose Japan and left the East to their own devices we would have never been attacked.

It's the same with Germany. We were covertly assisting countries that opposed Nazi Germany and everyone knew it. We were fighting them without shooting, but fighting none the less.
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Hail_King_Kakao wrote:

Never understood the sentiment of apologizing for things that pretty much no one is alive anymore that was responsible.
No one should apologize for america dropping a bomb when anyone that tried to drop the bomb is dead.
It happens with black people trying to throw around stuff about slaves and things too, they weren't ever a slave and no one that enslaved anyone is around right now either why should we care.
I'm sure there's other examples of having to apologize to people representing people that were around 200 years ago, on behalf of people that were around 200 years ago.


How about Jim Crow, there are still living victims of segregation. Their lifetime earnings potential diminished because of state discrimination.

Noones saying we should give them millions but how about boosting the social security checks to reflect the lost earnings potential????


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The only thing America would have to apologise for are the innocent lives taken from the bomb people that had nothing to do with the war and just wanted out of it.

Still even then it was a tragedy and unavoidable no one should apologise just move on


The problem is, there were virtually no such persons. It is not an uncommon mistake for people to completely fail to understand how different Japanese culture was in 1945 than it is in 2016. They LITERALLY believed that the emperor was god. And all they knew was that the war was being fought at the directive of the emperor. Therefore, save for the rarest of individuals, all Japanese fully supported the war.

Civilians? In July of 1944, during the Battle of Saipan, over 1,000 Japanese civilians jumped to their deaths rather than be captured. In August of 1945, Japanese children were being taught to run up to tanks and enemy soldiers with grenades, school girls were practicing charging with bamboo spears.

What people forget is that both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were legitimate military targets: among other things both were important naval bases.

I repeat what I've said before: The A-bombings actually saved Japanese lives. Had there been no A-bombs, both Hiroshima and Nagasaki would've already been included in the Firebombing campaign by August of 1945. And the bombings would've continued as long as Japan did not surrender. Save for those cities and areas spared so as to house the administration of Japan by the Allies, every single Japanese city and town would've been burned to the ground.

At a minimum, no bombs would've meant possibly more than a million dead Japanese before a surrender, just from further bombing campaigns alone. That doesn't include those who'd have died of starvation over the coming winter. Nor does it account for the likely attempt by the Soviet Union to invade Japan, and the casualties on both sides from that onslaught, or the further global consequences of such an action (The Soviets brief war with Japan has given us North Korea, which we're still dealing with today. We might also be still dealing with a Northern Japan as well). Nor does it account for the costs from an Allied invasion of Kyushu and the main island, Honshu. It is not at all out of the realm of possibility that Japanese dead could've exceed an additional 10 million.

Which is why no apology should ever be offered for doing what was done to end one of the most merciless and murderous regimes of the 20th Century.

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JanusCascade wrote:

Wait a min, why should we (America) should apologize when they sent us no warning on bombing us in Pearl Harbor! They the one should be apologizing to us. Remembered our previous Presidents said those who threaten our country and dropping bomb on us.. We will retallart on them 1,000 times worse than they did to us!

What I mean by letting other country know that they'll attack them, unless they surrendered to them.. Like giving up the land etc.

That remind me, did anyone found out why Japan attack us in the first place? Did they wanted to take over America?



We provoked them into attacking by choking off their resources and positioning ourselves as their opponent. Everyone in positions of power in America knew the war would come, they just did not know when. Had we not positioned ourselves to oppose Japan and left the East to their own devices we would have never been attacked.

It's the same with Germany. We were covertly assisting countries that opposed Nazi Germany and everyone knew it. We were fighting them without shooting, but fighting none the less.


If by "provoke" you mean, "Telling Japan to stop invading China, and not allowing them to invade the Dutch East Indies and Southeast Asia to get all the resources there," then, yes, we did.
Posted 5/24/16

Nogara-san wrote:

I agree with who said that if the US wanted to apologize, they would've/should've did it ages ago. Besides, no disrespect to the survivors and to Japan, but...Japan still hasn't apologized for what it did during the war...

I'm sure South Korea and China would love the Japanese PM to come to their country and apologize


^ Agreed
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Ryulightorb wrote:

The only thing America would have to apologise for are the innocent lives taken from the bomb people that had nothing to do with the war and just wanted out of it.

Still even then it was a tragedy and unavoidable no one should apologise just move on


The problem is, there were virtually no such persons. It is not an uncommon mistake for people to completely fail to understand how different Japanese culture was in 1945 than it is in 2016. They LITERALLY believed that the emperor was god. And all they knew was that the war was being fought at the directive of the emperor. Therefore, save for the rarest of individuals, all Japanese fully supported the war.

Civilians? In July of 1944, during the Battle of Saipan, over 1,000 Japanese civilians jumped to their deaths rather than be captured. In August of 1945, Japanese children were being taught to run up to tanks and enemy soldiers with grenades, school girls were practicing charging with bamboo spears.

What people forget is that both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were legitimate military targets: among other things both were important naval bases.

I repeat what I've said before: The A-bombings actually saved Japanese lives. Had there been no A-bombs, both Hiroshima and Nagasaki would've already been included in the Firebombing campaign by August of 1945. And the bombings would've continued as long as Japan did not surrender. Save for those cities and areas spared so as to house the administration of Japan by the Allies, every single Japanese city and town would've been burned to the ground.

At a minimum, no bombs would've meant possibly more than a million dead Japanese before a surrender, just from further bombing campaigns alone. That doesn't include those who'd have died of starvation over the coming winter. Nor does it account for the likely attempt by the Soviet Union to invade Japan, and the casualties on both sides from that onslaught, or the further global consequences of such an action (The Soviets brief war with Japan has given us North Korea, which we're still dealing with today. We might also be still dealing with a Northern Japan as well). Nor does it account for the costs from an Allied invasion of Kyushu and the main island, Honshu. It is not at all out of the realm of possibility that Japanese dead could've exceed an additional 10 million.

Which is why no apology should ever be offered for doing what was done to end one of the most merciless and murderous regimes of the 20th Century.



Not everyone would have been that way you would have a select few who didn't want to have anything to do with it it's highly unlikely everyone was guilty.

Innocent lives always are lost in the process of war that's the price of it.

I understand how there culture was different but there would be innocent people and brainwashed people that haven't hurt anyone (still makes them innocent) that got caught in the crossfire.

Unless you are saying every citizen was a war hungry soldier but I find that hard to believe.

No one should apologise it's the past people need to move past it.

From an outsiders view America did wrong and Japan did wrong but that's war no need to apologise about what had to be done whether it was morally wrong or not .

Edit: I should not 99% of people I have no doubt saw there leader as a God and wanted war however there will always be the minority's who went along just so they wouldn't be outcast etc to just say all of them wanted war is imo highly unlikely ....most nearly all sure but all...no


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As people have previously stated, dropping the Atomic Bombs saved millions of lives. Why should we apologize for that? This whole argument is just stupid.
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I'd apologize for future generations having to put up with the radiation but not for dropping the things. They should have surrendered. We were expecting 8 million casualties if we had to invade the Japanese islands.
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lawdog wrote:


shugotenshi-atm wrote:


JanusCascade wrote:

Wait a min, why should we (America) should apologize when they sent us no warning on bombing us in Pearl Harbor! They the one should be apologizing to us. Remembered our previous Presidents said those who threaten our country and dropping bomb on us.. We will retallart on them 1,000 times worse than they did to us!

What I mean by letting other country know that they'll attack them, unless they surrendered to them.. Like giving up the land etc.

That remind me, did anyone found out why Japan attack us in the first place? Did they wanted to take over America?



We provoked them into attacking by choking off their resources and positioning ourselves as their opponent. Everyone in positions of power in America knew the war would come, they just did not know when. Had we not positioned ourselves to oppose Japan and left the East to their own devices we would have never been attacked.

It's the same with Germany. We were covertly assisting countries that opposed Nazi Germany and everyone knew it. We were fighting them without shooting, but fighting none the less.


If by "provoke" you mean, "Telling Japan to stop invading China, and not allowing them to invade the Dutch East Indies and Southeast Asia to get all the resources there," then, yes, we did.


Yes, That is exactly what I mean by provoke.
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Is Japan going to apologize to it self? They didn't back down after the first bomb. They didn't even immediately back down after the second bomb. They only backed down when we bluffed and said we had a third bomb for Tokyo. They only backed down when we had the emperor at gunpoint essentially. I guess Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't too important to Japan anyway. Not sorry. Be mad at your own country.
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The dropping of nuclear weapons on Japan during World War 2 was the beginning of the end of America ever being able to claim the high ground. They have shown since then a overwhelmingly disturbing disregard for any sort of law beyond their own. Only Americans can judge Americans according to the Americans . The USA's list of war crimes is a lengthy one they have shown no real inclination to apologise for to date. And the casual way they always resort to using their biggest weapon in order to win is simply inhumane. One does not set fire to a cherry tea to simply get rid of a hornet nest.

And the fact they utterly disregard anything the UN or NATO says is chafing to my sense of honour as a soldier. So I do not expect the Americans to take the high ground here either. Their international politics doesn't leave much hope for that.
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might be wrong on this but did America not demand not ask demand them to stop invading china then when they said no they cut of their oil supply basically making their country come to a stand still if they didn't attack to try to get oil their army would have eventually been no more than large scape piles unable to move. might be wrong tho don't quote me on this
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