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Posted 5/23/16

namealreadytaken wrote:

put him in jail and throw away the keys.


Agreed.
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stars201 wrote:

I will never be obsessive over a celebrity lol


Really? young girls( i see that you're 22 but i mean you said never so i mean when you were a teen) are usually nuts over boy bands and the likes of Eminem or Justin beiber and that. Even the Beatles back in the day. But there is a difference between having your walls plastered with posters and crying and screaming frantically at the sight of your beloved singer and being a creepy obsessive stalker.
Funny how in Japan males seem to behave more like western girls(well i guess Asian girls and all girls act the same when they're teenagers towards boy bands and pop singers) almost, as far as screaming and being in love with pop starts and idols. But in Japan its often grown men acting like teenaged girls but taking it to the next level.
It must take extreme loneliness. Real obsession and delusion. I always find it ammusing how all the j pop and k pop girls concerts usually appear to have predomiantly male auidences. Where as in the west youg girl singers like say the spice girls or Nikki webster would have a female fan base.
But back to your comment. I think it seems to more so be men that are more likely to behave like this. Women dont really experience loneliness or lack of sex like some men do. Even though women are often obsessive and cant seem to handle beiong alone, i dont recall seeing many cases of women acting like this towards a celebrity.
You always hear of men being stalkers. Both sexes do it but seems men do it more towards celebrities and strippers and the like.
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Posted 5/23/16
That suck, because that changed her life completely.. Now she'll have that great fear that make her spend most money on getting her house secured.. She'll probably not wanting to go to stage, she'll might do home video that direct out to world television.. Even worse is that she might quit and ending up hiding in fear inside the House with all that Security equipment!
Posted 5/23/16

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stars201 wrote:

I will never be obsessive over a celebrity lol


Really? young girls( i see that you're 22 but i mean you said never so i mean when you were a teen) are usually nuts over boy bands and the likes of Eminem or Justin beiber and that.


I can be a fan but not some obsessive stalker
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Posted 5/23/16 , edited 5/23/16

stars201 wrote:


MrAnimeSK wrote:


stars201 wrote:

I will never be obsessive over a celebrity lol


Really? young girls( i see that you're 22 but i mean you said never so i mean when you were a teen) are usually nuts over boy bands and the likes of Eminem or Justin beiber and that.


I can be a fan but not some obsessive stalker


Yeah there's is a difference between being an obsessive fan and a completely obsessive, lonely, delusional, mentally ill person.
I've been an obsessive fan before but only to the point of a poster or looking for pics on the net or something.
lol at stalking on twitter and sending gifts and the like.

It's funny though, sort of on topic, you see alot of women on the internet that make custom fetish clips and stuff and they are worshiped as godesses and not only make money from selling clips, but also from obsessed men simply handing over $ as "tributes" and even buying them gifts from their wish lists n stuff.
Amazing the power attractive women have over men. Especially lonley men or older men.


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That's not a fan. That's an obsessed maniac.


Yep, there's a big difference. I hope she makes it and will get better. That's pretty scary. One has to be a complete narcissistic psychopath to do that to someone. That's not fandom, it's not love, it's not anything good. It's possessiveness, treating people as if they were objects and not humans (which all psychopaths do) and it's just scary. I hope they lock that nutjob up for good and I hope he becomes some big hairy guy's new pop (emphasis on pop) idol in prison.
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nanikore2 wrote:
I'm not sure how this follows.

How does more rules of conduct for stars and idols lead to more frequent brutal attacks?


The rules of conduct for a Japanese idol/pop star are basically all about maintaining the illusion of purity for the fans. They must forever be the perfect untouched girl who loves them. Any deviation from that and you risk your career ( or worse ). It seems to breed a kind of scary entitlement with fans.

I mean, this guy knifed her because she returned a gift.


Doesn't the environment itself produced these sort of rules instead of the other way around?

I'm not sure I buy the causal attribution here.

The rules are there to adapt to the expectations of fans, who would financially punish the companies if they don't make and enforce those rules. Doesn't that seem to be the more reasonable assumption to take?
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Posted 5/24/16 , edited 6/5/16
Send him to the firing range. Nobody injures pop idols and lives.
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Posted 5/24/16 , edited 5/29/16
As someone who genuinely likes idols and respects them as actual human beings, this news just makes me sad.

Things like these make me wish that superheroes were real. Like, maybe an organization like Overwatch or even just a vigilante superhero group like the one in Kickass, patrolling the streets day and night and beating the shit out of scumbags like this poor girl's assailant.
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Posted 5/24/16

runec wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:
I'm not sure how this follows.

How does more rules of conduct for stars and idols lead to more frequent brutal attacks?


The rules of conduct for a Japanese idol/pop star are basically all about maintaining the illusion of purity for the fans. They must forever be the perfect untouched girl who loves them. Any deviation from that and you risk your career ( or worse ). It seems to breed a kind of scary entitlement with fans.

I mean, this guy knifed her because she returned a gift.


As a sociology major, I understand what you mean. It's because of all this objectifying of women in the industry in this way that can really put those stars in danger. We see this kind of thing in manga and anime so many times where idols get attacked by psycho fans. It's just sad and scary that those kinds of scenarios being depicted in manga and anime have actually happened in real life. I sincerely hope she makes it, because she did not deserve this.
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Posted 5/24/16 , edited 5/24/16

nanikore2 wrote:


runec wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:
I'm not sure how this follows.

How does more rules of conduct for stars and idols lead to more frequent brutal attacks?


The rules of conduct for a Japanese idol/pop star are basically all about maintaining the illusion of purity for the fans. They must forever be the perfect untouched girl who loves them. Any deviation from that and you risk your career ( or worse ). It seems to breed a kind of scary entitlement with fans.

I mean, this guy knifed her because she returned a gift.


Doesn't the environment itself produced these sort of rules instead of the other way around?

I'm not sure I buy the causal attribution here.

The rules are there to adapt to the expectations of fans, who would financially punish the companies if they don't make and enforce those rules. Doesn't that seem to be the more reasonable assumption to take?


You make a valid point. I remember learning in college about how some guy theorized that the environment makes people the way they are, or things the way they are. That would fit what you're saying. I don't remember the name of the guy though.
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nanikore2 wrote:
Doesn't the environment itself produced these sort of rules instead of the other way around?

I'm not sure I buy the causal attribution here.

The rules are there to adapt to the expectations of fans, who would financially punish the companies if they don't make and enforce those rules. Doesn't that seem to be the more reasonable assumption to take?


You're positing a chicken / egg dilemma. However, its the company that markets the product and is targeting an audience. Industries like this don't develop in a vacuum. The industry didn't go out on the street and go "Hey, how would you like your girls objectified and controlled?" then follow fan recommendations. The industry came up with the product first then honed in on a target market.

The target market just happens to be kinda creepy and the industry forces the stars/idols in question to cater to it. Young women entering an industry like this ( In Japan or the US ) have absolutely shit all in the way of power or control. AKB48 in particular is basically an idol meat factory with purity clauses written into their contracts. The whole basis of the group's concept is that the girls are suppose to be "accessible" to fans. This poor girl got knifed when she didn't want to be "accessible" anymore.

Creeps/stalkers/lunatics whatever do exist regardless. But you probably shouldn't be encouraging it in the interest of sales.

I don't think "financially punish" is the right term here. As its not like these groups are in any dangerous of going out of business. Its more "Hey, we can make 200 million if they sing. But we could make 250 million if we emotionally controlled them and micromanaged their lives so we could market them as larger than life vestal virgins".

You can always make more money if you have no semblance of morals. But that doesn't mean its a good thing.



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Posted 5/24/16
Looks like she's in a coma now. =/
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Posted 5/24/16

runec wrote:

Looks like she's in a coma now. =/


Oh god, poor girl.
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Posted 5/24/16

runec wrote:

Looks like she's in a coma now. =/


My prayers are with that poor girl
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